Men see each other as competitors, women are partners

[Gerard Velthuis]

That is why men are losing. Women always stick up for each other, men never back each other up when a man confronts a woman. Men are pretty much on their own. You can not fight a cohesive group alone.
That is why men are losing. Unless men (everywhere!) start to see each other as partners instead of competitors men will keep on losing more and more power.

This is THE biggest weakness of men.

[Ivar]

Yes, Gerard, I agree this is a huge problem. But IMO it's really not that competitor stuff that's the only problem. It's more complex, IMO. It has a lot to do with upbringing - discouraged from complaining, taking it like a man - that kind of stuff. Add also self-loathing (see the Need some stats thread) of some men - they think they shouldn't complain, because they believe the "you got all the breaks in your life - you're a man" brainwashing... Not only do they think the shouldn't complain, some of them think they should simply SHUT UP completely (see the mentioned thread)...

Anyway, I agree the not-cohesivness of men is the main problem, but do you have and concrete suggestions how to mitigate this problem?

[TestSubject]

This is only because men still believe they have power and women still believe they don't.  Unity is a survival technique.  This is one of the reasons I want women to run amok with the world.  The more power women taste, the more they will fight each other over it.

[jaketk]

That is why men are losing. Women always stick up for each other, men never back each other up when a man confronts a woman. Men are pretty much on their own. You can not fight a cohesive group alone.
That is why men are losing. Unless men (everywhere!) start to see each other as partners instead of competitors men will keep on losing more and more power.

This is THE biggest weakness of men.

the reason that men don't form cohesive groups is because we have been dissuaded from doing so. we have been taught over the last three decades, especially young men from my generation (Matrix babies as I call us), and any form of grouping is somehow wrong, somehow oppressive, or somehow excludes women. it is in men's nature to group with each other, but unfortunately societal mores have a greater effect. and considering that we have been told that challenging women is somehow misogynistic, most men, even when they agree, will not act for fear of the stigma and potential repercussions.

i think that is why men's groups are so frightening to feminists. when men group, we tend to get things done.

[TerryGale]

This is only because men still believe they have power and women still believe they don't.  Unity is a survival technique.  This is one of the reasons I want women to run amok with the world.  The more power women taste, the more they will fight each other over it.

When I first saw this post, I wanted to say what you just said.. but didn't have the words.    Leftist-Feminists did well at learning and spreading collective activism and political correctness.  Political Correctness is the thought control that Feminists are counting on to maintain the power they have grabbed.

[Gerard Velthuis]

it is in men's nature to group with each other

This is not true. Look at nature, you ALWAYS see the males wandering around ALONE doing their own things. The females are always in groups.
ALWAYS!

For us humans I see the same thing, men are doing there own things thinking they are everything and don't need anybody's help and every other male is nothing more than a competitor standing in his way, while women cooperate and treat each other as partners not as competitors.

That is why I wrote this post, hoping that men will realise this, and do something about it, because this is our main weakness as I noted already and this is something that needs to change.

[alien]

When it counts men can work effectively together as a team (firemen, soldiers, sportsmen, F4J)  - it just takes the right reason and most importantly - THE RIGHT TYPE OF LEADERSHIP.

[Quasimodo]

Say what fellas. The next time you are in a group of men and one of the guys gets in an altercation with one of the females and all the rest of the women jump him, what say you step up and lend a little support. Surprise, surprise. The other guys who were mulling around shaking their heads or nervously giggling might, just might, enter the fray and back your play.

Trouble is, no one wants to be first. They'd much rather play it safe and commiserate or rib the guy after it's over. On a subconscious level, those cackling hens, waving their fingers and bobbing their heads, remind them far too much of their mothers for them to stand up to them and grow a pair. You be the first.

The funny thing is that defiance has a peculiar way of catching on.

[TestSubject]

Oh I like to be first.  Oooooh yes!  While they don't usually jump in the fray during the scuffle, they thank me afterward.

[Russ2d]

Men are natural soloists but do come together with a strong leader.

Most men are ignorant of what has happened, have been brain-washed as have women with all the feminist-androgyny-sex reversal bullshit, AND worst of all have been sold out by men on the top who have seen the opportunity to profit from all this insanity.


The answer is to work together, wake other men up who can be reached, and utterly condemn those men who support the bullshit no matter what their reasons are.

In short, we need an organization that is funded by its membership enough to afford lawyers, and had chapters in each state.

[Gerard Velthuis]

When it counts men can work effectively together as a team (firemen, soldiers, sportsmen, F4J)

Yes, but when it comes down to social issues, issues about feminism, women rights etc. they suddenly lose their balls. Suddenly they become back-less conformists who don't have the guts to support each other but choose the safe (women/feminist) side.

Also you are talking about working together in small men-only groups (if women would join they suddenly would change their attitudes towards women).
Men need to learn to cooperate at a global/national level.