Title IX and Gender Quotas In Sports

blackmanx · Aug 13, 2005, 09:40 AM

Not long ago, Title IX was created to give women equal opportunity in education, including sports. It has done its fair share of harm and good. Many times, it has done harm. Many men's teams were cut down in favor of women's teams. Many wrestling teams that were previously all-male have taken female members.
That's okay, but that's not all. Many male athletes, particularly wrestlers, have seen their sport teams being reduced in number
and done away altogether in some cases. This is not right or fair.
Some changes are being made (or so they say).

http://www.themat.com/pressbox/pressdetail.asp?aid=12054

natalie clifford barney · Aug 21, 2005, 01:49 PM

Wrestlers, it's always the wrestlers!

Title IX is arguably one of the greatest pieces of social legislation passed in this country. My last year of high school, approximately 300,000 women played sports in this country... mostly in field hockey and gymnastics.

And now, thanks to Title IX, the figure is 3,000,000... having also transformed this country's sports enviroment. I am an avid sports fan, a diehard Celtics fan, but women play basketball fundamentally better. They don't have the strength and speed of men, but on balance they know the game better, and play it better as a team. This should, with time, result in seeing some women coaches in the men's game... if we don't, something is amiss.

I was in an ESPNZone in Baltimore a few years back, a young man and woman, there together, were shooting hoops, it was no contest, she won easily... and it was no big deal to either of them... my generation, such would have been a big deal. It was great to see it play out that way.

This does not mean I condone anyone losing their sport, not being able to play... but the solutions so far are all aimed at gutting Title IX, and that is totally unacceptable. What we need to be doing is finding a way to include more under the sports umbrella, not shifting resources. Le't find a way to get more men and women involved.

blackmanx · Aug 22, 2005, 01:31 PM

I'm all for equal participation and opportunity for men and women in sports. Wrestling as a sport suffered due to Title IX because it's nowhere near as popular as men's basketball or football, which are exempt from Title IX. All I'm saying is that if the government wants to make these rules for equality, they should give the schools the money to enforce these rules, not force them to decide which teams they need to cut down to please the dragons in Washington. Many young athletes work hard for a long time in high school only to discover that their sport virtually doesn't exist in college and that their hard-won scholarships are revoked. This is NOT right. I don't care for political correctness, only justice.

In my mind, there should be 5 men's teams for every 5 women's teams. At the moment, there are 5 women's teams for every 3 men's teams. They get rid of 2 men's teams every time they create 1 women's team sport. That's not right. No one's future should be sacrificed on the altar of political correctness. I won't have it. It's not right and no force on earth can convince me otherwise.

johnnyp · Oct 09, 2005, 07:22 AM

If men and women are so equal, why don't we desolve segregated sports all together? Afterall, it is condesending to have a women's basketball...

blackmanx · Oct 11, 2005, 03:22 PM

Read "The Manipulated Man by Esther Vilar" and come back to post.

blackmanx · Nov 01, 2005, 05:26 PM

Title IX - supposedly created to help women in sports. It's only a tool used by feminists to punish men.

http://www.illinoisleader.com/printer/article.asp?c=4097

contrarymary · Nov 01, 2005, 06:38 PM

I'm sorry, but I was the mother of a drama student, not an athlete....you want to talk discrimination and put-downs? Try being a young high school male who wants to be in the drama club.

Further, in my school district, funds were always cut first from the scholastic/artistic activities. The football team always remained unscathed.

Sports are great - but where would the world be without entertainment of a more cerebral nature?

PS Although my daughter did manage to get a lot of the football team to participate in "The Music Man" - she was the student director. She appealed to their desire to be seen holding the prettiest girls in the school.... :wink:

Mater Domina · Nov 02, 2005, 12:52 AM

I actually don't like sports that much especially football and even worst baseball. I only like basketball a little but if some women like it and want to have their own league, let them play. It really shouldn't be an issue or seen as an interference to the mens league because they wouldn't be even playing together.

jfpbookworm · Nov 02, 2005, 07:04 AM

They may have changed how it was implemented since I was looking at colleges, but I remember a lot of men's teams being cut in the name of "balance" when there were women's teams at the same school in the same sport (e.g., swim teams) - the difference, of course, was the enormous expenditure on football which had no counterpart.

Personally, I think the way to solve this problem is for colleges to cut loose their athletic programs - let them keep the nominal affiliations if they so choose, but keep the money and admissions separate and run them like "club teams" or minor leagues. Then colleges, if they so choose, can reimplement an athletic program that's centered around the student body, rather than a bunch of ringers and outside sports fans.

blackmanx · Nov 07, 2005, 03:52 PM

All men want is a fair deal when it comes to life. Unfortunately, the feminazis don't understand what fairness is. Misandry runs
amok. Until the government stops listening to the misandrists, no man in America is safe, whether he works in sports, business or is self-employed. Just being male makes him a target.

Mater Domina · Nov 07, 2005, 05:39 PM

Quote from: "blackmanx"

All men want is a fair deal when it comes to life. Unfortunately, the feminazis don't understand what fairness is. Misandry runs
amok. Until the government stops listening to the misandrists, no man in America is safe, whether he works in sports, business or is self-employed. Just being male makes him a target.

I can understand when you say you feel prejudged when it comes to courts and child support situations but how is it really hurting men in business and sports when they hold the highest positions? To me, men are not failing as some of you pessimists see it, women are just getting more successful. Also were do you get terminology like " misandry and feminazis" from? You can tell you all read the same literature and be talking to eachother because you share the same ideas. Not judging, just noticing.

Mike · Nov 07, 2005, 10:44 PM

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I can understand when you say you feel prejudged when it comes to courts and child support situations but how is it really hurting men in business and sports when they hold the highest positions? To me, men are not failing as some of you pessimists see it, women are just getting more successful. Also were do you get terminology like " misandry and feminazis" from? You can tell you all read the same literature and be talking to eachother because you share the same ideas. Not judging, just noticing.

MD how can you understand? You have consistently shown your indifference and your disregard for the male. I would suggest that you read some of Warren Farell's work, especially "Why Men Earn More". It takes the most basic of questions and expands upon it. The question being along the lines of why would any business employ men, if women got paid less for the same job?

So MD are you going to join the armed forces and fight for your right to fight on the front line, to do patrols in Iraq? When you do, then I know that you are sincere about equality. perhaps someone could tell me the number of American Women have died in Iraq as compared to the number of men.

TheManOnTheStreet · Nov 08, 2005, 06:34 AM

One. Accidently at that I believe.

Al

TheManOnTheStreet · Nov 08, 2005, 06:37 AM

Kidding..... actually it's 49.

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