Started by Galt, Aug 18, 2005, 08:02 AM
QuoteWow, I can't even begin to imagine how you'd factually back up such an assertion.I came to this conclusion through experience and observation. When including passive-aggression, I believe my experiences are not atypical of other people's.
Wow, I can't even begin to imagine how you'd factually back up such an assertion.
I honestly believe women in general have a greater capacity to cruelty and aggression than men do.
Galt-I know you like to attribute it to sex, but frankly I think it's deeper than that. I'm beginning to think that the sexual part is really just an expression of the emotional part -- that is, the constant quest for sex is really more of a constant quest for emotional connection and that an awful lot of men seem to generalize their emotional dependence on their mothers with the women in their lives.They're not on a constant quest for "pussy" as much as they're on a constant quest for their mothers' approval. This is the basis of everything from chivalry to some mens' seeming sexual addiction.
I dunno...personal experience and observation aren't a very good tool when it comes to quantifying entire genders or other subsections of humanity, imo.
Quote from: "neonsamurai"Ikanneg said in relation to friends of hers who'd been rapedQuoteSeveral...hmm, let me think. Counting...four, that I've known of.Four of your friends have been raped? That's terrible. Why didn't they report what happened to them to the police?Let's see...No. 1 might have called the police of her own accord, but before she had managed to calm down enough to have that suggested to her, somebody else had already called them. No. 2 was raped by her boyfriend; she was too afraid of what her very racist, violent father would do to her if he found out during the course of a police investigation and trial that she had been dating a black guy to try to have him prosecuted for it. No. 3 was raped by a, well she thought, a friend; they were both part of a close circle of friends and she had gone willingly alone to his place that time as she had done many times in the past. She couldn't stand the idea of their entire circle of friends *knowing,* which they would have; she couldn't stand the idea of rejection from any of those friends; she thought the police/judge/jury would blame her for being alone with the guy on purpose and she would be humiliated and traumatized for nothing; she was terrified that he would come after her and do it again in revenge if she tried to have him arrested. No. 4 was raped by her boyfriend and wasn't 100% sure at the time that he had known for sure that she didn't want to have sex-- and she didn't report him from a combination of that feeling of uncertainty and because she thought that nobody would believe she hadn't wanted to have sex because she had let him kiss her and touch her intimately (she was a virgin). (She did find out much later that he had definitely known she hadn't wanted to have sex.)
Ikanneg said in relation to friends of hers who'd been rapedQuoteSeveral...hmm, let me think. Counting...four, that I've known of.Four of your friends have been raped? That's terrible. Why didn't they report what happened to them to the police?
Several...hmm, let me think. Counting...four, that I've known of.
Quote from: "IMHO"I honestly believe women in general have a greater capacity to cruelty and aggression than men do.Wow, I can't even begin to imagine how you'd factually back up such an assertion.
[I saw a hidden camera-type show in which a good looking woman stopped random men and told them that she dropped her ring in the icky garbage can by mistake. Could he please be a real man (bats eyes) and put his own hand in the garbage and fish it out for her? Then they dressed up the same woman as a hag with makeup, false teeth and pillows under her clothes designed to make her look chubby. Far fewer men bit - but some still did, and those are the ones in which chivalry played a dominant role.I'd like to see how many people - men or women - would help a man with the same request. Probably 0 women and 0 men. They would say, "get it out yourself, you wimp."
I think that if all of a sudden a chemical was put into the water supply that eliminates men's sexual desire for women, then feminists would be a sorry lot. No one would really care anymore, above and beyond treating people in the right way..
've almost come to an understanding with the Bisquit Queen about a reasonable woman who comes to an agreement in life with a reasonable man - but I can't even fathom some guy who supports a woman who is constantly spouting feminist beliefs. She is using the ancient notions of a man supporting her - while simultaneously using the modern notions that "everything is equal". What's sad is that men still exist who don't even understand that. "Everything has to be equal", but of course men should support women financially, because women are just women. I'm just surprised that these user women are able to keep the smirk off their face while they use these types of men.
Hi Ikanneg, welcome. I've been enjoying your posts, and admire your respect for logic and reason, so I feel that I need to nitpick and point something out to you: A belief is not a declaration of fact, and therefore, does not require objective proof to support it. For example, most religions are based on belief because objective proof for things like immaculate conception, ascension to heaven, the existence of God him/herself, etc., is not available. Therefore IMO IMHO need not offer any facts to back up his beliefs; they are what they are. Now, if IMHO had said "Women in general have a greater capacity to cruelty and aggression than men do" I would side with you and ask him/her for citations to peer-reviewed research substantiating this assertion.While I think that our beliefs are more defensible when we provide legitimate evidence for them, IMO we're all still entitled to hold our beliefs without the need to provide said evidence - just as long as we make it clear that we're not claiming fact.