Goodbye Feminism

Started by angryharry, Aug 21, 2005, 10:17 AM

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SouthernGuy

"I wired 90% of my home, built probably 70% of it. a friend of mine built a 2400 square foot addition on her home. She also spent a summer on a Habitat For Humanity all woman crew. Next question?"

I'm not talking about Mickey Mouse construction. Not only have I done the HFH thing(which is a joke), I've built a hospital, two hotels and a hundred million dollar casino. Ninety-nine point nine percent of the skilled trades in the field were men.  The company I worked for had a man fall to his death six months in to the casino project. You aren't likely to die passing out lemonade to a HFH crew...

SG

brian44

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Come on... isn't a whole lot better to work for solutions that move everyone toward equality?


I wonder if, as a feminist, you could help us come up with some solutions to get women into the dangerous high paying jobs that men work to support their families. You know, the ones that can kill you, such as electricians, saturation divers, high rise steel workers, mining, oil rig workers, etc.

Men make up over 90% of annual workplace fatalities. How do we get this number down to 50% so we have equality?

Affirmative action? Hiring quotas?

SG


I wired 90% of my home, built probably 70% of it. a friend of mine built a 2400 square foot addition on her home. She also spent a summer on a Habitat For Humanity all woman crew. Next question?


What's that got to do with it? I type at 90 wpm and do all my own office work. That doesn't change the fact that over 90% of secretarial work is done by women does it?
It is time we began to ask who are these women who continually rubbish men. The most stupid, ill-educated and nasty woman can rubbish the nicest, kindest and most intelligent man and no one protests.

Men seem to be so cowed that they can't fight back, and it is time they did." Doris Lessing

bukowski

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I wired 90% of my home, built probably 70% of it. a friend of mine built a 2400 square foot addition on her home. She also spent a summer on a Habitat For Humanity all woman crew. Next question?





What does this answer or prove?

Not only that, the above work isn't done every day for a living to support a family and it doesn't tell us how you're going to make all work related injuries sickness and death 50-50.

I know, next time a feminist complains women do most 'domestic' work, I'll prove her wrong by telling her that I just washed my dishes and that I do so every day, plus, I got a guy friend who does the dishes as well.  I even know how to sew!

TestSubject

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Come on... isn't a whole lot better to work for solutions that move everyone toward equality?


No.

brian44

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Quote from: "natalie clifford barney"

Come on... isn't a whole lot better to work for solutions that move everyone toward equality?


No.


Hi TestSubject

I think men have more to gain from real equality than women actually. Feminism has been about taking all the good points of being a man and keeping all the good points of being a woman, which leaves men with zilch.
It is time we began to ask who are these women who continually rubbish men. The most stupid, ill-educated and nasty woman can rubbish the nicest, kindest and most intelligent man and no one protests.

Men seem to be so cowed that they can't fight back, and it is time they did." Doris Lessing

Raymond Cuttill

True equality would mean women paying for their own dinner, men having choices about having babies or staying at home looking after children; and women fighting for their own country even if thousands of them died.
aymond Cuttill

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brian44

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True equality would mean women paying for their own dinner, men having choices about having babies or staying at home looking after children; and women fighting for their own country even if thousands of them died.


It would also mean they don't automatically get to keep the children and the house if they cheat on their husband and trade him in for a younger model. Boy, would the number of divorces filed by women drop like a stone then!
It is time we began to ask who are these women who continually rubbish men. The most stupid, ill-educated and nasty woman can rubbish the nicest, kindest and most intelligent man and no one protests.

Men seem to be so cowed that they can't fight back, and it is time they did." Doris Lessing

woof

It would also mean an end to alimony, and child support, since then men would be seen as equals as far as raising their kids, and we will have shared parenting.
Even a whole village can't replace dad, children need both parents.

Conspiracy Theory

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It would also mean an end to alimony, and child support, since then men would be seen as equals as far as raising their kids, and we will have shared parenting.



Or at least who ever takes soul custody takes soul responsibility.



Here is something I've been thinking about.  A woman divorces, take's half or whatever then get's child support.  Finds a new guy and moves in and marries him.  He also supports her children.  Good economics in my mind.  

I'm sure it's not always the case, but...
Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ~ Mark Twain

natalie clifford barney

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Which means we are far better off without feminism, which has an objective of anything but equality.


Interesting... would you mind pointing out where I am not for equality? Or do you search out the most radical opinion you can find and then assign that as the beliefs of us all?
o im gonna grab my soul
And leave my ego at the door
I'm gonna open up my eyes
So, c'mon sing along if ya wanna
Cry if ya hafta
Lean back into your lover's arms
Grab the hand of the person
Standing right next to you
Show them we are not afraid of who we are

~ Melissa Ferrick

brian44

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Which means we are far better off without feminism, which has an objective of anything but equality.


Interesting... would you mind pointing out where I am not for equality? Or do you search out the most radical opinion you can find and then assign that as the beliefs of us all?


I have no idea about you as a person, only what feminism has achieved and tried to achieve in the last 50 year or so.
It is time we began to ask who are these women who continually rubbish men. The most stupid, ill-educated and nasty woman can rubbish the nicest, kindest and most intelligent man and no one protests.

Men seem to be so cowed that they can't fight back, and it is time they did." Doris Lessing

SouthernGuy

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Here is something I've been thinking about. A woman divorces, take's half or whatever then get's child support. Finds a new guy and moves in and marries him. He also supports her children. Good economics in my mind.


Yep, so she ends up having two men support her kids with neither one having any real say in how they're raised. Ever try to discipline another woman's child? She gets all the power and control, the guys get the bill. What a deal...

SG

natalie clifford barney

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We all have equal opportunity to pursue our goals and dreams, and are not restricted by virtue of our gender.


And how, and where can't women pursue their dreams and goals today?


Can a woman play in the Masters? How many women are in boardrooms, in Congress? Yes we can run, but we are at a huge disadvantage. The good ole boy network frequently encourages the candidates it wants to run, and they aren't women.

How many men do you see worrying over whether they can have a career *and* a family? How many men walk down a dark and deserted street and worry if a woman suddenly is walking behind him? Tell me about property inheritance rights in some Islamic countries... how they treat women who are raped... would you support a simple amendment to the American Constitution that says men and women are equal? What of baby girls slaughtered in China? Is Linda Loaiza being treated justly in Latin America?

Are men who run for office routinely dissed for what they wear and their overall appearance? Do you routinely use the word feminazi? Why? How about being asked to wear form fitting clothes and to wear make up at work? How many men suffer unwanted advances? We won't even go into domestic abuse and rape statistics, and before you go ballistic, I fully recognise that the vast, vast majority of men are not abusers or rapists. Pornography is primarily of women, and it is primarily viewed by men, though I certainly know dykes that are not adverse!

It's not equal We have come a long way (in the US) from the days when women were not allowed to attend school, but there is still work to be done. We lost ground from roughly 1930-1965, and if we don't take care, it could happen again.
o im gonna grab my soul
And leave my ego at the door
I'm gonna open up my eyes
So, c'mon sing along if ya wanna
Cry if ya hafta
Lean back into your lover's arms
Grab the hand of the person
Standing right next to you
Show them we are not afraid of who we are

~ Melissa Ferrick

natalie clifford barney

Quote from: "SouthernGuy"
"I wired 90% of my home, built probably 70% of it. a friend of mine built a 2400 square foot addition on her home. She also spent a summer on a Habitat For Humanity all woman crew. Next question?"

I'm not talking about Mickey Mouse construction. Not only have I done the HFH thing(which is a joke), I've built a hospital, two hotels and a hundred million dollar casino. Ninety-nine point nine percent of the skilled trades in the field were men.  The company I worked for had a man fall to his death six months in to the casino project. You aren't likely to die passing out lemonade to a HFH crew...

SG


My work was hardly mickey mouse work, and neither was hers. Is this all about who has the biggest and the baddest, or is it or isn't it about construction? Damn this need to compare is goofy. You are skilled, I am skilled, good enough... or does it not stop until one has worked on the tallest building in the world, building it single handedly?

Yes most in the field are men, but women have shown they can do the work, they certainly did in WWWII until men came back and chased them away from their jobs.
o im gonna grab my soul
And leave my ego at the door
I'm gonna open up my eyes
So, c'mon sing along if ya wanna
Cry if ya hafta
Lean back into your lover's arms
Grab the hand of the person
Standing right next to you
Show them we are not afraid of who we are

~ Melissa Ferrick

natalie clifford barney

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What does this answer or prove?

Not only that, the above work isn't done every day for a living to support a family and it doesn't tell us how you're going to make all work related injuries sickness and death 50-50.

I know, next time a feminist complains women do most 'domestic' work, I'll prove her wrong by telling her that I just washed my dishes and that I do so every day, plus, I got a guy friend who does the dishes as well.  I even know how to sew!


So this *is* all about thumping your chests and tarzan yells... hmmm. My point is I have such skill and many other women do as well. Is there some badge of honour for working in contruction over some other trade? Does it make one more manly? Are men forced into such labour, and that is why the issue is raised?

The fact is women do do more domestic work, even if both work full time jobs. It has narrowed in recent years, but the numbers aren't there yet. Women work to support families every bit as much as men do.
o im gonna grab my soul
And leave my ego at the door
I'm gonna open up my eyes
So, c'mon sing along if ya wanna
Cry if ya hafta
Lean back into your lover's arms
Grab the hand of the person
Standing right next to you
Show them we are not afraid of who we are

~ Melissa Ferrick

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