Goodbye Feminism

Started by angryharry, Aug 21, 2005, 10:17 AM

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PaulGuelph

This is tiresome, but here you go:

We are for:

- shelters and counselling for battered husbands
- rights of children and fathers to see each other after divorce
- equality under the law - areas such as Domestic violence, rape, child molestation, divorce proceedings
- equal respect for men and boys in the media, school, workplace
- equal funding for medical reseach of male illnesses as female funding (example prostate cancer vs breast cancer)
- ending circumcision

I could write a book.  that is an initial sampling of what we are for.
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TestSubject

Quote from: "The Purple Dinosaur"
What do you wish to accomplish? Is it simply to stop feminism? Or is the goal a bit more altruistic and noble?


Who are you to say stopping feminism isn't altruistic and noble?   :?

TestSubject

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Are you sure can do the waltz?

It is a dance that requires that an actual MAN leads!

Gold :lol:

SG

GOLD!

natalie clifford barney

Political correctness is a form of fascism, it has its roots in Communism (and the industrialists behind it) and its power began with the feminist, black and homosexual movements tailored off of the Democratic party and has evolved into what it is today thanks mostly to lawyers and a corrupt legal sytem.

As Sister Mary Elephant would say "thank you."

In order for one to debate the issue, one first has to frame the issue to be debated. Your view of pc is quite a bit different from mine. Yassee, pc for me is about basic respect.. we don't put people down for skin colour, orientation, gender, religion, ethnicity...

yet you see it as fascism with roots in communism, a dichotomy if ever there was one. Not to say your idea lacks merit, merely stating a surface observation...

funny that black people, and homosexuals, and feminists are thought to have arisen based on a corrupt legal system, since it was a corrupt society that put them down to begin with. OK, I will grant some leeway in evolving from agrarian to industrial society, but for African Americans, surely we can blame society for how they ended up being considered less thans.

So why is it respect for each other is such a tough thing? Why is wishing for us to live together in harmony fascism? Is there something inherently wrong with African Americans, with women, with dykes that they cannot be a part of a greater society? How does my partnering with another woman adversely impact you?

I can tell you how evangelist Christians who seek to declare me second class citizens adversely impact me, but there is no corresponding reciprocation. And my issue with them ends when they leave me alone.


I would like to see the ridiculous racial divides end (we are all men and women, race is nothing more then isolated breeding groups and can be breed in or out at our leisure).

Thank you, then you are with me on part of this.

I want feminism to die its rightful death and for respect of sex differences and sex roles to return.

How so? What sex differences? Heterosexual intercourse requires one partner to have a penis, the other a vagina... but I don't think you use your penis at work... so genitalia is irrelevant in a work environment. If strength is needed, than strength is a requirement. I know of no woman that would argue against legitimate requirements... most I know in the military don't wish there to be separate standards.

Aside from sex, what requires sex differentation? Surely a man can parent as well as a woman, and both are competent in the workplace, so why this need? Why not let water seek it's own level individually? Not all men have desire to be macho dudes, nor all women housewives. Why can't each of us pursue our own dreams and interests?


A woman's primary role is mother/nurturer

A man's is protector/provider

Um, that is an outdated social construct. Now it may be you are comfortable in that role, and no problems there... do what works for you. Just don't impose that on others who see life differently. I'm a huge believer in each of us reaching our full potential, being all we wish to be. If this be your dream, and if someone shares it, fine with me. And we should make sure our young are free to follow their own path.

Culturally I would let the chips fall where they may for normal occupations with the understanding that men and women naturally choose different paths and have very different abilities. No quotas, no affirmative action, nothing but merit.

Affirmative action has it's place, though as time goes on they become less and less necessary. For the most part, women have made inroads into the workforce, but we still have serious issues facing African Americans, a systemic problem going back 150 years, because we didn't do it right then. We have a duty to find solutions, and yes, African Americans have a duty to find the solutions and work toward them. I'm an admirer of Nelson Mandela, who believes the way to go is through education, and indeed that is the case... but we have to help a culture that prides itself on education develop, and we have to see to it the tools are there... that class sizes are much smaller than now, kids thrive on individual attention... and by the way, this is the approach that will help young men refocus on education.

As for the death professions- military, police, and fire departments etc they should be exclusively all male for obvious biological reasons and should be celebrated as such with no apologies to anyone.

No way. It's that simple. You meet the qualifications, you're in, no gender restrictions in any way, shape, or form. Women are half this country, with a corresponding place in it, participatory or otherwise. Any new draft should be of men and women.

By the way, women are gaining ground on men in things like marathons, and I've seen some suggest that a time will come in the future when women might pass men in such events, because biologically they are predisposed to having more endurance. We are a ways away, but the differences have narrowed markedly in thirty years. And look at how far women have come in one generation of basketball, with no mentor network.


Our culture would be efficient and would reinforce male and female sexual identities. The union and complimentary relationship between men and women through our differences would enhance the quality of life instead of the chaos we have today.

That's pretty much where I come from.

I do thank you for taking time to share your views, this makes it a whole lot better than throwing water balloons back and forth! Obviously I disagree, but nonetheless admire you for putting in the effort.

nelle
o im gonna grab my soul
And leave my ego at the door
I'm gonna open up my eyes
So, c'mon sing along if ya wanna
Cry if ya hafta
Lean back into your lover's arms
Grab the hand of the person
Standing right next to you
Show them we are not afraid of who we are

~ Melissa Ferrick

natalie clifford barney

Quote from: "PaulGuelph"
This is tiresome, but here you go:

We are for:

- shelters and counselling for battered husbands
- rights of children and fathers to see each other after divorce
- equality under the law - areas such as Domestic violence, rape, child molestation, divorce proceedings
- equal respect for men and boys in the media, school, workplace
- equal funding for medical reseach of male illnesses as female funding (example prostate cancer vs breast cancer)
- ending circumcision

I could write a book.  that is an initial sampling of what we are for.


Ok, so do you have anyone lobbying for shelters? Are you trying to organise and set one up in *your* community? It's a good and worthy goal, so hopefully you are taking action.

Fathers in the US by and large have joint legal custody unless there is compelling reason otherwise... for you in the UK, you do have some work ahead of you. And divorce proceedings are also quite fair in the US.

I don't know of anyone that disses a man for being a man, and goddess knows teachers work tirelessly to educate all in their charge. I would like to see more fathers present at meetings with teachers, most of the time it was predominantly the moms who are there. Be involved!

As for illness, the focus has been on men for moons, and women have only recently begun to get their due... for too long studies figured what applied to men applied to women, and we now know that is a major boo boo. I do believe we need to do *more* medical research, and that we should address such issues equally and comprehensively.

If you wish to end circumcision, I'm totally with you... but please do not try to equate it with FGM, which is far more harmful and invasive.

I'm not such an evil old witch, eh?
o im gonna grab my soul
And leave my ego at the door
I'm gonna open up my eyes
So, c'mon sing along if ya wanna
Cry if ya hafta
Lean back into your lover's arms
Grab the hand of the person
Standing right next to you
Show them we are not afraid of who we are

~ Melissa Ferrick

Roy

This girl is a hoot!

She is like the rhetorical equivalent of when you tried to get your girlfriend's bra off in the front seat at a drive-in in 1973!

Too much effort for too little reward......

Intellectually, that is.

(I was referring to a bad movie.... not the breastfully possibilities....)
It's a terrible thing ... living in fear." (Roy - hunted replicant. "Blade Runner.")

natalie clifford barney

Quote from: "TestSubject"
Quote from: "The Purple Dinosaur"
What do you wish to accomplish? Is it simply to stop feminism? Or is the goal a bit more altruistic and noble?


Who are you to say stopping feminism isn't altruistic and noble?   :?


If you believe Valerie Solanas is the incarnation of feminism, why yeah, I can see why you would be a bit unnerved... but that is fallacy, trying to demonise femonism... powerful forces do not much care for change, even if it is to equality and nothing more.
o im gonna grab my soul
And leave my ego at the door
I'm gonna open up my eyes
So, c'mon sing along if ya wanna
Cry if ya hafta
Lean back into your lover's arms
Grab the hand of the person
Standing right next to you
Show them we are not afraid of who we are

~ Melissa Ferrick

bukowski

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If you wish to end circumcision, I'm totally with you... but please do not try to equate it with FGM, which is far more harmful and invasive.




It sure is a good thing you, as woman living in the West, had absolutely no chance of a knife cutting any piece of your genitals off for no legitimate medical reason.

natalie clifford barney

Quote from: "Roy"
This girl is a hoot!

She is like the rhetorical equivalent of when you tried to get your girlfriend's bra off in the front seat at a drive-in in 1973!

Too much effort for too little reward......

Intellectually, that is.

(I was referring to a bad movie.... not the breastfully possibilities....)


If someone chooses to poke their friends and point fingers and chuckle about someone they perceive as different, in my experience that person is trying desperately to fit in, and deathly afraid they will be confronted over whatever fears lie within them.

It also likely means they have precious little insight to offer, or have nothing to put forth to add to a debate. I admire Russ for taking the time and effort to debate, to put his thoughts out here... once again, if this board is for male socialising, then I am intruding in your space, and shall leave. If it is debate, and you are truly willing to debate, dispense with the insults and put your ideas out here. I won't suffer this game for long, it is not my nature to even bother debating men on their own turf, so if all i continue to get are insults, then you shall have your wish, and I will be out of your space.
o im gonna grab my soul
And leave my ego at the door
I'm gonna open up my eyes
So, c'mon sing along if ya wanna
Cry if ya hafta
Lean back into your lover's arms
Grab the hand of the person
Standing right next to you
Show them we are not afraid of who we are

~ Melissa Ferrick

Roy

Natalie....

Let us agree to cut to the chase. OK?

If you, as a self-proclaimed lesbian, have no particular passion for men....

What source of delight do you seek here?
It's a terrible thing ... living in fear." (Roy - hunted replicant. "Blade Runner.")

natalie clifford barney

Quote from: "bukowski"
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If you wish to end circumcision, I'm totally with you... but please do not try to equate it with FGM, which is far more harmful and invasive.




It sure is a good thing you, as woman living in the West, had absolutely no chance of a knife cutting any piece of your genitals off for no legitimate medical reason.



Earlier today, a comment was made to me about "how would I know what it is like to have a penis... I let it go, it wasn't necessary to go into.

And now your comment. Well... it's like this. Yassee, I am a male to female transsexual, and I was circumcised at birth. And I also happened to have a vasectomy many years ago. And beyond that, I pay child support, $600 a month.

I've been where you are... the reverse is likely not true.
o im gonna grab my soul
And leave my ego at the door
I'm gonna open up my eyes
So, c'mon sing along if ya wanna
Cry if ya hafta
Lean back into your lover's arms
Grab the hand of the person
Standing right next to you
Show them we are not afraid of who we are

~ Melissa Ferrick

bukowski

hmmmm hmmmm

SouthernGuy

*imagines a few stunned faces*

:shock:

SG

Conspiracy Theory

Quote from: "Roy"
PaulGuelph --
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Why do feminists lie? ......


Feminists do not lie.

They believe every sentence that comes out of their mouths.
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This is very true.  However not confined to just feminists or women for that matter.

The entire dialogue is verbatum "1984".   Which if you looked at 'Julia', she was a rank 'feminist/socialist'.  I guess 'FemSoc' could be her name.  Now granted she bunkeneered from the 'status quo', but if you look at what the female characters of 1984 were doing they rang very true of current day feminists today.  All accept the whole lesbian thing of course.

Everything goes down the memory hole and they believe their lives are getting better but are in fact getting worse.  Instead of Goldstein being the enemy or the 'Osam bin Laden', the primary target is the male gender, as was the jews with Nazism and the list goes on for other political movements. ( I'm personally hoping the men's movement does not turn into a mirror reflection of this diatribe.)

But in the end feminism is rather easy to follow.  The work is already laid out for us to watch and understand.  Just look at the historical works (hopefully before their changed that is).  I suggest every book written by Ed Hunter.  His work was done in the 40's and 50's.  He was literally the one who coined the phrase 'Brainwashed'.  

Now I know that my last paragraph may seem like humour, and it is kind of funny, but trust me on this, this guy wrote the book, and what feminists are doing here in America they already did in China 50 some odd years ago.

This girl here is a classic example.  It's like studying the animal network or something.  We can watch one in the wild, study its habits, learn from its traits and so on.  We even get to interact with it.  Which I might add was solely forbidden in '1984', the act of communicating with the enemy ie Eurasians and Oceanaians for instance.
Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ~ Mark Twain

natalie clifford barney

What you seem to forget is that the exact same thing is happening, except you are observing but two, and we are observing many. ;-)
o im gonna grab my soul
And leave my ego at the door
I'm gonna open up my eyes
So, c'mon sing along if ya wanna
Cry if ya hafta
Lean back into your lover's arms
Grab the hand of the person
Standing right next to you
Show them we are not afraid of who we are

~ Melissa Ferrick

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