DR. E.'s Kicking Some Ass Over @ Hugo's Place

[Roy]

Dr. Evil has been attempting to wage an intelligent discussion with Hugo over at Hugo-boy's crib.

See --

http://hugoboy.typepad.com/hugo_schwyzer/2005/08/one_week_until_.html#comments

Dr. E. -- From what I have heard so far it seems likely that you have a distaste for men and boys that could conceivably be described as misandry. Perhaps you can help me see that this is incorrect?

It's all worth reading, especially Dr. Evil's compassionate attempts to get Hugo to state anything about why he still hates men.

(Well, to be kind, Hugo just sees no virtue in masculinity...)

Dr. E. --- I believe I have found the key to Hugo's dementia ---

From a book by a Jungian analyist.

Just this ---

"Narcissism is not self-love but rather the confession that one cannot love the self."

You are more qualified than I am to consider this theory.

[TestSubject]

I'm left handed...

[Gerard Velthuis]

Is this any fair? It seems everybody is trying to put Hugo down. I haven't been involved much in this discussion but don't you think we have better things to do than blaming and fighting with each other??

[Roy]

GV wrote --

Is this any fair? It seems everybody is trying to put Hugo down. I haven't been involved much in this discussion but don't you think we have better things to do than blaming and fighting with each other??

Your country is what we desperately hope to not become.

This is not a criticism of you as a man or as a citizen.

But, really?

Look at a map. Locate your country.

Where are you?

If Hugo represents a hero to you, then you are not ever going to be an MRA.

If I'm impolite, then at least I'm interested in how you may try to become part of the men's movement.

[Gerard Velthuis]

Look at a map. Locate your country.

Where are you?

If Hugo represents a hero to you, then you are not ever going to be an MRA.

If I'm impolite, then at least I'm interested in how you may try to become part of the men's movement.

I didn't say Hugo represents a hero to me. I hardly know this Hugo person.
All I am seeing for a while now is messages "bullying" this person.
I mean dedicating a two whole threads about this? Come on don't you think this a bit childish?
Isn't the men's movement about being cohesive! Instead of being a competition! I guess not.

[Gerard Velthuis]

Things like this makes me wonder if the men's movement will ever become anything. All I see is competition and people (men) trying to out-prove each other with their thoughts and beliefs without reaching a (mutually agreeable) consensus.

[dr e]

Well, I don't think I would describe it as kicking ass Roy.  ;>)  I am sincerely trying to get Hugo to answer a very simple question and it is taking a good deal of patience.  Somehow, I don't think he wants to answer it.  He has clearly stated that at one point he "feared and disliked men."  That's a pretty compact definition of misandry if you ask me and deserves some explanation if he claims to love men.  We will see where it goes.

[Titurel]

G.V. has a point.  It is nothing but callow name calling to label someone you disagree with "a narcissist."  Especially based on nothing but his writings.  Narcissism is a matter of degree.  We are all narcissists to a certain extent.  There is such a thing as healthy narcissism, healthy self regard.  Just as there is a healthy degree of self-doubt and anxiety. The right degree of anxiety and doubt can help person grow emotionally as a person.  Healthy narcissism helps a person to function in the world, to contribute to society.

I think you used the expression as a barb, reducing it's meaning to a grade school playground level.

[Roy]

Titurel --

The right degree of anxiety and doubt can help person grow emotionally as a person. Healthy narcissism helps a person to function in the world, to contribute to society.

This is parhaps among the most important insights that any new poster has ever contributed!

You MUST write more, and soon!

Now, just to whet your appetite, how would you apply your insight to gender relationships?

[bukowski]

he claims to love men.

I've never understood "loving" groups of unknown people.  Okay, individuals, I see that.  But I don't see it in any group or even humanity as a whole.

In my experience I have found it to often be the case that I don't believe people when they say they love them, or love a group, such as men.  Gosh knows I've heard feminists say they "love men" after making me feel bad about myself for being a man.  It always felt, I don't know, hollow.  Or worse, a cover for their repressed hate.

And what is more odd, is that I have found people who would call themselves "mysanthropists" as more compassionate then those who claim to be compassionate.

I don't think people are all that great.  Pretty shitty actually.  But I feel they should be treated fairly because if they aren't I would be supporting one group of people I probably don't like over another group of people.

I think mysanthrapists, meaning people who think people equally suck, are more honest.

[Roy]

bukowski--

I've never understood "loving" groups of unknown people.

Thank you for the best ray of daylight I've seen all this week....

Now, as your penance for being wise --- please tell us WHY?

[Roy]

Sorry, B-ski....

You may have already covered the range of your reply.

But, what do you see as the future of male-female relations?

Can desire overcome tyranny?

[FP]

I'm left handed...

wuss!  

[Fidelbogen]

I think mysanthrapists, meaning people who think people equally suck, are more honest.

Good honest philosophy; spoken like a man!

Feminists would benefit hugely from such wisdom. If they would just learn to hate the whole world equally, it would be a great step forward, for which I could even applaud them!
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[neonsamurai]

Good honest philosophy; spoken like a man!  

LOL!!!

Exactly! If people hated everybody equally then the world would be a far more equal place! So far the only people I can see putting this into practice are PETA, but they tend to favour animals too much to be proper equalists