A Matter of Degree

[Awakened]

Is there an ignore feature on this board? I don't believe I've seen lkanneg address any of Gonz's posts as of late.

No, I haven't read any of Gonzokid's posts in quite a while, and I have no future plans to do so, since even if he changed his mind and said he *was* actually interested in debating and seriously discussing gender issues with me (which is why I quit reading his posts--he made it clear he wasn't interested in doing so), since I don't read his posts, I'd have no way of knowing that.  Maybe if he started a whole new thread saying he'd changed his mind and he did, I'd catch it that way?  

Nah. I don't buy it.

Looks to me like you're just burying your head in the sand to avoid dealing with members who effectivley expose your cause for what it is. And you've been called out enough by Gonz as it is. Now he is supposed to start a new thread asking you to acknowledge him? Seems odd.

[The Biscuit Queen]

Ikenneg, please read Gonzos above replies and  pretend I wrote them, for I could not have replied any better.  What he said.

If you ignore a poster who is intelligently replying to your posts, then why should any of us debate you? You are picking and choosing what you want to hear.

Gonzo is making really good points. That you refuse to look at them says far more about you than him.


As far as you getting sympathy, if you don't give it, you won't get it.

Here is an example of family court justice.

I was talking to a woman yesterday, whose friend got divorced a few years ago. They split amicably, and he agreed to pay for her to go to school long enough to get a nursing degree so she could support herself, a very generous offer, since she worked the whole time they were married, and they have no kids.

She gets a brain tumor, and now he has to pay alimony for the rest of her life. Sorry fella, that's the way it goes, courts decision.


The sad thing is that the woman I spoke with saw nothing wrong with this. She seemed pleased that this woman could continue to play sports with her dogs without worrying about money.

You may try really hard to return that 50 dollar bill, but she gladly picked it up and put it in her pocket.

[lkanneg]

My my my how convenient to simply ignore certain posters.  Er, the ones that are making you look pretty silly.  I thought you were an engineer lkanneg?  I don't know too many engineers who would deflect and ignore good points in an argument like that.  Of course I don't know any feminist engineers.  Maybe they are different?

Sorry, Dr. E., but I'm not ignoring certain posters cause "they make me look silly," or, c'mon now, I wouldn't be posting to *anybody,* lol.  Examples of posters who (I think) have scored really good points off of me:  Factory, typhonblue, The Biscuit Queen, Mr. Nickle, Wookie, contrarymary, bluegrass, Mr. Bad.  (I'm sure there are more, but those are coming immediately to mind).  I'd love to debate/discuss with the posters I am ignoring...well, okay, I admit, I don't find one of them to be terribly challenging or interesting...but I really really DO miss debating/discussing with another one of them...and I wouldn't mind debating/discussing with the third...but there really isn't any point given that they've all told me that they are not interested in debating with me.     It's a free country, you know.  Countries, since we're multicultural on here.  I can't *make* them.  But I'm only here to seriously debate/discuss gender issues, so what would be the point in me posting to them or even reading what they have to say to me?

[The Gonzman]

PM is right Gonz.  Don't give her any excuses.  You have pummeled her fair and square.

True.  Mea culpa.

I've seen so many men get ripped by femherroids, in an up close and personal fashion, that I get intemperate with my hatred of that philosophy and those who espouse it.

[lkanneg]

Ikenneg, please read Gonzos above replies and  pretend I wrote them, for I could not have replied any better.  What he said. .

If you like, I will do that--honestly, if anyone else is dying to hear answers to any of those three poster's remarks from me, just cut and paste them into your own post to me and I'll be more than happy to answer them.  

If you ignore a poster who is intelligently replying to your posts, then why should any of us debate you? You are picking and choosing what you want to hear.

Gonzo is making really good points. That you refuse to look at them says far more about you than him..

No, I don't think so.  I'm really totally fine with answering the points he brings up, if someone else wishes to bring them up. You make really good, intelligent points, BQ--why don't I refuse to look at yours?  What's the difference between your posts and Gonzokid's?

As far as you getting sympathy, if you don't give it, you won't get it. .

Actually, I think I have been pretty sympathetic overall.  If not, can you show me where I'm not?

Here is an example of family court justice.

I was talking to a woman yesterday, whose friend got divorced a few years ago. They split amicably, and he agreed to pay for her to go to school long enough to get a nursing degree so she could support herself, a very generous offer, since she worked the whole time they were married, and they have no kids.

She gets a brain tumor, and now he has to pay alimony for the rest of her life. Sorry fella, that's the way it goes, courts decision.

The sad thing is that the woman I spoke with saw nothing wrong with this. She seemed pleased that this woman could continue to play sports with her dogs without worrying about money.

You may try really hard to return that 50 dollar bill, but she gladly picked it up and put it in her pocket.

I do feel sorry that he has to pay alimony for the rest of her life, and I'm deeply impressed by his original generosity--I would never expect any man (or woman either) to do that--really amazing.  I can't exactly rejoice that her life is going to end probably pretty shortly, though.

[Galt]

If you like, I will do that--honestly, if anyone else is dying to hear answers to any of those three poster's remarks from me, just cut and paste them into your own post to me and I'll be more than happy to answer them.  

:roll:

Romper Room alert.

[The Gonzman]

ROTFLMAO

I really don't give a fuck if she answers my points or not.

She's right - I DON'T want to debate her, but it's precisely because I understand that "debate" is a misused word.  Formal debate is ritualized verbal duelling, and involves far, far more than addressing points.  Lisa enjoys engaging in sophistry and word tricks - tricks I learned in debate class that were designed strictly to squelch and evade delivering answers - like the "Sources please" trick.

Level 100 debate.  It's purely diversionary.  One should take a debate class, and find that Logos (logic) is only one part of it.

Debate is wasted on an intellectually dishonest person who displays a Klintonian prediliction for debating what the meaning of "is" is.  I will not play her game.  I play mine.  Since I have facts on my side, I cannot lose, and Lisa - to give her credit - understands that.  It's a losing proposition for her.  She can't win, so she doesn't play.

It's a classic study in gender essentialism - like many women, communication - language -  is a process for her to manipulate.  If I play that, with ever shifting meanings, "A word means what I want it to mean" amphibly - I can't win.  So I don't  My game is direct - the male game - language as a tool.  Mark out an arena, and there is no escape - eliminate the grey areas, and there are no shadows to hide in.

My advantages are first, I'm not particularly interested in whether or not I'm getting any, so I can't be manipulated, and second, I can engage her and refuse to play her game at the same time - the reverse is not true.

Besides, I'm just interested in showing her up as a gadfly and troll - I don't need her participation to do that - like I always say, all you have to do to discredit feminism is to quote feminists accurately - and here, she can't engage in the "I never said that" bullshit - The Amber!(tm) was much smarter than her in that respect - she went and erased the evidence.

[dr e]

lkanneg said:

but I really really DO miss debating/discussing with another one of them...and I wouldn't mind debating/discussing with the third...but there really isn't any point given that they've all told me that they are not interested in debating with me

This is ridiculous.  Someone may have told you or said that they didn't want to debate you but on the thread they posted responses to your points and you suddenly decide that since they have previously said they didn't want to debate you that you should ignore their posts?  How convenient.

BTW you never did address the question about feminism being a hate movement.  I was hoping you might offer some interesting conversation but it looks again like you are going the route of most other feminists who have come here.

[Mr. Bad]

PM is right Gonz.  Don't give her any excuses.  You have pummeled her fair and square.

Oh Dr. E., are you and PM serious?  That "sub-human" comment was (at least to me) obviously rhetorical and in reference to feminists in general, not our resident trollette.  

Please, don't pull a Hugo on us, Ok?  Gonz is taking her 'arguments' apart with the skill and finesse of a veteran chop-shop proprietor, and as you say, it's all fair and square.  IMO even the "sub-human" comment.

Now lkanneg, you really need to read Gonz's rebuttals to your arguments; they're all spot-on and require responses on your part if you are to have a prayer of prevailing.  Please don't insult our intelligence by saying you haven't read them because are too 'above it all' to do so, want to maintain higher standards of decorum, etc.   Surely a woman working in a typically male environment can take such things, can't you?

So, how do you respond to Gonz's rebuttals?

Oh, I almost forgot:  

[The Gonzman]

No, sub human is pretty abusive, I have to say.

I have utter contempt for the complete lack of moral rigor that such things as feminism (Islamofascism, fascism, Racism, et al) produce in their adherents (Though I'm open to discuss whether it is cause or effect), and that is is cult-like behavior, but I don't advocate removing basic civil rights from such people, and that's what you'd do to sub-humans.

Thank God, though, that being treated as anything but human flatulance for espousing such reprehensible and repugnant opinions isn't a civil right.  As the old Yankee Storekeeper said, I think it's perfectly appropriate to say to a feminist, "Them groceries ain't fer sale."

Pretty much how I live my life - and as a tip, if you find yourself supervising a feminist, two weeks tops and you can have anyone fired with cause.  Or make their life hell being perfect, and too busy doing so to cause much trouble.

oh....

[Mr. Bad]

No, sub human is pretty abusive, I have to say.

Ok, if you say so, but as I said I took you to mean it as a general reference to feminists, not as a personal barb at lkanneg.  That said, it looks like I'm probably wrong on that score, so apologies to PM and Dr. E. for the Hugo comparison.  

I have utter contempt for the complete lack of moral rigor that such things as feminism (Islamofascism, fascism, Racism, et al) produce in their adherents (Though I'm open to discuss whether it is cause or effect), and that is is cult-like behavior, but I don't advocate removing basic civil rights from such people, and that's what you'd do to sub-humans.

Thank God, though, that being treated as anything but human flatulance for espousing such reprehensible and repugnant opinions isn't a civil right.  As the old Yankee Storekeeper said, I think it's perfectly appropriate to say to a feminist, "Them groceries ain't fer sale."

Pretty much how I live my life - and as a tip, if you find yourself supervising a feminist, two weeks tops and you can have anyone fired with cause.  Or make their life hell being perfect, and too busy doing so to cause much trouble.

oh....

Good advice - thanks!

Oops, almost forgot:  

[lkanneg]

She's right - I DON'T want to debate her

:scratchchin: sorry, all, but...unless that changes...not a situation I have control of, kwim?

[Galt]

:wink:

[Mr Benn]

I'm so handsome and intelligent and practically perfect in every way.  :wink:

[The Gonzman]

She's right - I DON'T want to debate her

:scratchchin: sorry, all, but...unless that changes...not a situation I have control of, kwim?

Sure do have a lot of control, toots - you can address issues head on, instead of waffling over niggling little definitional points, and playing word games.

"Debate" is a game played by immature college students, and asswipes who have neither facts nor reason on their side, so they fall back to sophistry.

We all know what the definition of "is" is.

And I thought you weren't reading my posts.

Another lie.