Survey Finds More Women Try Bisexuality

[lkanneg]

Besides, I don't think you'll find that most people throughout the past few thousand years had expectations of 'romance' at the fore of their minds. Marriages in the past were far more likely to be about more practical considerations.

I think those are two different statements...I disagree with the first but agree with the second.

[Mr Benn]

Romance and yearning have been around for millenia, Mr. Benn.  

And then came along feminism.

...and didn't make much of a dent in the yearning.  

"Romance is currently the largest and best-selling fiction genre in North America. It has produced a wide array of subgenres, all of which feature the mutual attraction and love of a man and a woman as the main plot, and have a happy ending."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genre_fiction

Thats merely a consumption trend; perhaps indicative of the fact that women now consume men emotionally and sexually before dumping/divorcing them.

One could equally say that women are reading romance books because they don't want/can't experience it in real life.

[Mr Benn]

Besides, I don't think you'll find that most people throughout the past few thousand years had expectations of 'romance' at the fore of their minds. Marriages in the past were far more likely to be about more practical considerations.

I think those are two different statements...I disagree with the first but agree with the second.

And what evidence do you have that the average woman during the last few thousand years has had romance at the fore of her mind? I don't see how you can make such an assertion.

[typhonblue]

So if a woman's most intimate emotional relationships are with women and she is also capable of being sexual with them, why would she continue to call herself heterosexual? What could she possibly get(or give) to men that she can't get(or give) to her female "friends"?

The problem I'm having getting your point is, women who classify themselves as heterosexual and who are in a positive romantic relationship with a man tend to characterize that relationship as their most intimate adult emotional relationship.  Women who classify themselves as heterosexual who are not in a relationship with a man, tend to yearn for one with an intensity that they do not yearn for a friendship with a woman.

I'm going to do a feminist on you.

Sources?

Women often say that men are incapable of emotional closeness. So how can they be having a deep emotional relationship with one?

Further women tend to reveal their more intimate concerns and needs to other women rather then to their husbands. Whereas men rarely exhibited that sort of intimacy with other men.

Here is a exerpt from an article I found...

"Gender differences in friendship are particularly marked and, over the years, research has increasingly pointed to the value of a special relationship or confidant in adjusting to the stresses and strains of later life. For women especially, this is also a life course issue in that the presence of a confidant or close friend has been found to be important in terms of social support as well as in the maintenance of psychological well-being and mental health. Moreover, rather than fulfilling this need for a confidant within the marriage relationship, women tend to look to other women or an adult child for this kind of support. Men, by contrast, name their wives as their main source of emotional support and the only person that they talk with about personal problems and difficulties."

http://www.therubins.com/aging/process2.htm

[typhonblue]

Here's an article on women's fiction:

http://www.lisacraig.com/writerstoolbelt/womensfiction.pdf

Apparently "Woman's fiction" is an up and coming sub-genre of Romance. The difference is that woman's fiction focuses mainly on the woman with considerably less focus on the man. Another difference is that woman's fiction can be about sisterhood and friendship rather then romance.

As for traditional romance... one could argue it is a narcissitic fantasy whereby the axle of the man's existance is the woman. The center of his life is wooing her. etc. And that the only attraction the man holds for the female reader is his desire and single-minded focus on the main female character.

An interesting contrast to male-focused pornography... where the woman is always the center and men are on the peripherary, if they exist at all.

[typhonblue]

Since there is so much evidence that at least some heterosexual women do not vaue men for their intrinisic emotional and physical qualities... then why do these women seek out men?

[The Gonzman]

How are you being a poop?

By being literal and picky.  But in this case I think it's apropo.

[lkanneg]

So if a woman's most intimate emotional relationships are with women and she is also capable of being sexual with them, why would she continue to call herself heterosexual? What could she possibly get(or give) to men that she can't get(or give) to her female "friends"?

The problem I'm having getting your point is, women who classify themselves as heterosexual and who are in a positive romantic relationship with a man tend to characterize that relationship as their most intimate adult emotional relationship.  Women who classify themselves as heterosexual who are not in a relationship with a man, tend to yearn for one with an intensity that they do not yearn for a friendship with a woman.

I'm going to do a feminist on you.

Sources?

Pretty much any dating organization or advice column out there.  

Women often say that men are incapable of emotional closeness. So how can they be having a deep emotional relationship with one?

Women often say that men find it more difficult than women to achieve emotional closeness.  Not quite the same thing.  

Further women tend to reveal their more intimate concerns and needs to other women rather then to their husbands. Whereas men rarely exhibited that sort of intimacy with other men.

Men often reveal their more intimate concerns to other women as well, rather than to men, as your article below says.  

Here is a exerpt from an article I found...

"Gender differences in friendship are particularly marked and, over the years, research has increasingly pointed to the value of a special relationship or confidant in adjusting to the stresses and strains of later life. For women especially, this is also a life course issue in that the presence of a confidant or close friend has been found to be important in terms of social support as well as in the maintenance of psychological well-being and mental health. Moreover, rather than fulfilling this need for a confidant within the marriage relationship, women tend to look to other women or an adult child for this kind of support. Men, by contrast, name their wives as their main source of emotional support and the only person that they talk with about personal problems and difficulties."

http://www.therubins.com/aging/process2.htm

A confidant relationship is not the same as an intimate emotional relationship.  You can have a confidant relationship with a therapist, for instance.

[Mr Benn]

Since there is so much evidence that at least some heterosexual women do not vaue men for their intrinisic emotional and physical qualities... then why do these women seek out men?

To consume.

[typhonblue]

Women often say that men find it more difficult than women to achieve emotional closeness.  Not quite the same thing.

No, they often say men are incapable of the same emotional closeness as a woman. INCAPABLE.

A confidant relationship is not the same as an intimate emotional relationship.  You can have a confidant relationship with a therapist, for instance.

The article says that men rely on women for their main emotional support, but women are more likely to turn to a friend for emotional support.

What do these women... who don't desire men for emotional support and are sexually attracted to women... want from men? I mean, why bother?

[PowerMan72]

:popcorn:

[The Biscuit Queen]

What do these women... who don't desire men for emotional support and are sexually attracted to women... want from men? I mean, why bother?

Dick.

Typhon, sometimes you just think too much.

[D]

:popcorn:

Would you mind passing some over here?

[lkanneg]

Women often say that men find it more difficult than women to achieve emotional closeness.  Not quite the same thing.

No, they often say men are incapable of the same emotional closeness as a woman. INCAPABLE.

Hmm...I think it's your turn to provide sources.  

A confidant relationship is not the same as an intimate emotional relationship.  You can have a confidant relationship with a therapist, for instance.

The article says that men rely on women for their main emotional support, but women are more likely to turn to a friend for emotional support.

What do these women... who don't desire men for emotional support and are sexually attracted to women... want from men? I mean, why bother?

You're confusing "women are more likely to turn to a friend for emotional support" with "women don't desire men for emotional support."  Women *do* desire men for emotional support.  And most women aren't sexually attracted to women to anywhere near the degree they are sexually attracted to men.