The perfect orgasm

[realman]

Was in teh book store the other day and saw a book (by a woman, for women, of course) something to the effect of how to have the perfect orgasm.

Naiively, I picked up the book and flipped through a few pages. I have to say that what I read was somewhat nauseating.

In particular- the books starts out with a few anecdotes from women (real or fictitious we don't knwo for sure....) about the best orgasms tehy've ever had. One is from a high-rolling young lady who says the best she ever had was at soem fancy party where there was this one guys who was "average looking but had those eyes that just..."" and she spent the whole evening looking at him but never got to talk to him.

Finally, she just couldn't take it anymore, excused herself to the ladies, and well, you know, "eased her sexual tension" (I have a hard time believing there are too many women in real life who would see a guy and have the need to go to teh ladies room and masturbate to deal with it, but anywho....). As she was washing up to go back out to rejoin the party, the guy came into the ladies room, pressed his pelvois against her as she leaned over the sink, and proceeded to drop his trousers, lift her skirt, and penetrate her from behind. She had the best orgasm of her life, he finsihed up and left without ever saying a word to her.

Now what gets me (other than that IMHO she's a bimbo) is that had it not been the guy she was so smitten with as to have just finished masturbating over him who came in to the ladies room, pressed his groin agaisnt her ass, bent her over the sink and screwed her- this same scenario would be called sexual harassment, sexual assault, or rape (depending on how things had actually progressed considereing with any other man she would have considered this all "unwelcome").

I guess this is just the sexual hypocrisy of today's women which we men must just learn to deal with? It just really gets me that teh same scenario can either be "the best orgasm ever" or "rape" depending on who the male stranger is that perpetrates it. And of course, women in either event are not held responsible for any of it, while men bear complete responsibility. Not that I'd ever join some strange woman in the ladies room at a party to bone her without even talking to her beforehand, it's just disturbing to see this kind of behavior encouraged among women while for the men involved it is risking incarceration! I suppose it explains a lot about many women's distorted views of the world, themselves, and men if this is any indication of today's young women and their views on life.

[Mr. X]

You do realize that's a made up story right? Probably every story in that book is made up. Its the same sexual fantasy stuff you'd read in Cosmo or some such magazine or a romance novel. The book probably isn't really to help women orgasm better or it would be rather scientific. Its a sexual fantasy book disguised as self help book. I'm beginning to think women write such books for the purpose of providing guilt free porn to women disguised as something else. It would be the same as if I wrote a book to help men with erectile dysfunction but filled it full of sexual conquest stories. No guy in his right mind (unless he actually was a real rapist) would walk into a woman's rest room during a party and start mounting a girl he had not even talked to. This is a chic fantasy and nothing more.

[Quasimodo]

I guarantee you, had some old biddie walked in on them as they were doing it, it would have been the best "rape" she ever experienced. Another statistic.

[Hombre]

I think I may have seen that one. Was this book by any chance called Penthouse Letters?

[johnnyp]

Now what gets me (other than that IMHO she's a bimbo) is that had it not been the guy she was so smitten with as to have just finished masturbating over him who came in to the ladies room, pressed his groin agaisnt her ass, bent her over the sink and screwed her- this same scenario would be called sexual harassment, sexual assault, or rape (depending on how things had actually progressed considereing with any other man she would have considered this all "unwelcome").

Telepathy would prevent that - women assume we have telepathy in these situations - that is why they think a come-on is harassment - we know better, but did it anyway!

[johnnyp]

Somewhat on topic:

I had two girl friends in a row - both were girls I met in college.

Girl 1, lets call Karen:
Karen I met in a finance class.  She would always flirt and "present" her self to me by standing in front of my desk.  She would chat with me after class.  Since I am sensitive about not making unwanted advances to women, I am generally slow on the up-take.

Well Karen and I finally got together.  We dated for several months.  Remember that I am slow on the up-take - Karen had a rape fetish.  She hinted and hinted for me to pull her hair and "take" her in a rough fashion.  Finally I caught on, and started to play her game - she would go wild.  I tired of this situation because she was unable to have "normal" intimate relations.

Girl 2, let's call her Jade:
I bumped into Jade after we graduated.  She again would "present" her self.  She would pop-up unannounced and stuff.  Finally I caught on and we got together.  Jade also had a rape fetish.  Again it took me moths to catch on to all of her hints.  When I did, she was in bliss.  Jade also had difficulty having "normal" relations, so we ended up breaking up after a few more months.

What would have happened if my next girl friend did not have those fetishes and I assumed she did?  Luckily I am not normally into that kind of thing, and it takes some BIG hints for me to hear them.

[realman]

Frankly I do suspect the story was made up, and yes I'm familiar with books for women trying to be "legit" when all they are is porn (hell, the enire romance novel industry is based on porn with enough of a plot thrown in to make weak argument that it's "not porn"... yeah, I only only read Playboy for the articles, honey!).

It just disturbs me... I guess both because of the legal remaifications that men face which women do not when it comes to seuch begavior, and also just in general it's pretty frustrating sexually to be a man in today's climate and this is just another example. Imagine if MEN had sexual power.... men could act sexual with any woman they wanted without fear of legal issues... men could feel respected for their sexually... men could get sex whenever and wherever they want it? I just think women have too much power, too little responsibility and legally and socially have to much sexual freedom, and men are held accountable for making up the difference.

I don't see how this is any different from holding women responsible for all cooking, cleaning, and childcare?

[Quentin0352]

Strange enough, the rape fantasy seems pretty common in women. Most every woman I have known has had that one. Kind of like most men having one of two or more women at a time and etc. As long as it is a harmless fantasy between consenting adults, then I see no problems with it. It may be arising out of women wanting forceful men again since they have seen how we have become so emasculated by the law and society anymore. It is due to a need to see strength in men again or something most likely.

[TerryGale]

You do realize that's a made up story right? Probably every story in that book is made up. Its the same sexual fantasy stuff you'd read in Cosmo or some such magazine or a romance novel. The book probably isn't really to help women orgasm better or it would be rather scientific. Its a sexual fantasy book disguised as self help book. I'm beginning to think women write such books for the purpose of providing guilt free porn to women disguised as something else. It would be the same as if I wrote a book to help men with erectile dysfunction but filled it full of sexual conquest stories. No guy in his right mind (unless he actually was a real rapist) would walk into a woman's rest room during a party and start mounting a girl he had not even talked to. This is a chic fantasy and nothing more.

What he said...  Like I said in that thread about the photos in the NZ hotel restroom story, women probably wouldn't do so well with pictures of men in the restroom.  However, since that designer felt the need to have parity for the women's room (I'm still shuddering - even though I'm unlikely to make it to a 5-star hotel in NZ), maybe he could use passages from racy novels on the stall walls - but then they might have to put an R rating on the restroom (for kids).  Unless they just did a couple of stalls and made them "pay stalls."  I'm j/k, of course.

Women my age got such a hodge-podge mix of "guilt vs go grrll."  I think women's fantasy is largely about getting around guilt.

Johnny, I hate to say it - but depending on how close in time girl #1 and #2 were, I'd wonder if they were aquaintances sharing notes on men (especially now with the internet).

[BaltimoreMan]

Frankly I do suspect the story was made up, and yes I'm familiar with books for women trying to be "legit" when all they are is porn (hell, the enire romance novel industry is based on porn with enough of a plot thrown in to make weak argument that it's "not porn"... yeah, I only only read Playboy for the articles, honey!).

It just disturbs me... I guess both because of the legal remaifications that men face which women do not when it comes to seuch begavior, and also just in general it's pretty frustrating sexually to be a man in today's climate and this is just another example. Imagine if MEN had sexual power.... men could act sexual with any woman they wanted without fear of legal issues... men could feel respected for their sexually... men could get sex whenever and wherever they want it? I just think women have too much power, too little responsibility and legally and socially have to much sexual freedom, and men are held accountable for making up the difference.

I don't see how this is any different from holding women responsible for all cooking, cleaning, and childcare?

This is a bit off topic, but there was a time when I was a teen and young man when I pretty much WOULD read PlayBoy only for the articles.  Swear to God, BoyScout's honor, I"m not putting you on. It's a bit of a secret joke to me that no one knows that. This was because I had discovered "Hustler" and PlayBoy's tamer poses had grown boring for the most part. But I liked their Libertarian read on sex (even though I was more conservative politically until my mid 20's), and it was also where I discovered Asa Barber.

Anyway, then I discovered my cheese dip fetish and things got really wild, and I never picked up a PlayBoy again...  :lol:

[Factory]

You do realize that's a made up story right? Probably every story in that book is made up. Its the same sexual fantasy stuff you'd read in Cosmo or some such magazine or a romance novel. The book probably isn't really to help women orgasm better or it would be rather scientific. Its a sexual fantasy book disguised as self help book. I'm beginning to think women write such books for the purpose of providing guilt free porn to women disguised as something else. It would be the same as if I wrote a book to help men with erectile dysfunction but filled it full of sexual conquest stories. No guy in his right mind (unless he actually was a real rapist) would walk into a woman's rest room during a party and start mounting a girl he had not even talked to. This is a chic fantasy and nothing more.

What he said...  Like I said in that thread about the photos in the NZ hotel restroom story, women probably wouldn't do so well with pictures of men in the restroom.  However, since that designer felt the need to have parity for the women's room (I'm still shuddering - even though I'm unlikely to make it to a 5-star hotel in NZ), maybe he could use passages from racy novels on the stall walls - but then they might have to put an R rating on the restroom (for kids).  Unless they just did a couple of stalls and made them "pay stalls."  I'm j/k, of course.

Women my age got such a hodge-podge mix of "guilt vs go grrll."  I think women's fantasy is largely about getting around guilt.

Johnny, I hate to say it - but depending on how close in time girl #1 and #2 were, I'd wonder if they were aquaintances sharing notes on men (especially now with the internet).

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