VAWA 2005 May Be on Life Support--- Help "Pull the Plug

[Roy]

The always urgent gals at the National Organization for Women are either frontin' or they are really in a panic that Congress is going to let the Violence Against Women Act expire.

I "urge" all fair-minded persons to use the phone numbers listed below to dial up and register your opinion that VAWA be allowed to die a timely death.

The $5 billion dollars VAWA '05 demands would be best redirected to real social problems; something other than institutionalized misandry and further funding for family destruction.

(The original blurb from NOW) ---

Take Action on the Violence Against Women Act

Congress went home last week and failed to finalize the reauthorization of the Violence Against Women Act.


It will not be easy to convene a conference committee and come to an agreement about what the final VAWA2005 should look like. But it is not impossible.

Both the House and the Senate will return for a short time in December and the leadership must hear from us that we expect them to get VAWA's differences worked out and passed!

If you haven't done so already, please sign the VAWA petition urging Congressional leaders to pass VAWA NOW! Forward this appeal to your colleagues and coalition partners as well, because we will be delivering the final batch of petitions to Congress the week of December 5 and need as many signatures as possible.

We currently have almost 10,000 signatures with names from every state. Good job!

Call the offices of the House and Senate leadership with this simple message: Add passing VAWA to your December agenda and get it passed before services are reduced and programs are eliminated. Women, children and families are relying on you.

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn), 202-224-3135
House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-Ill), 202-225-0600
Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev), 202-224-5556
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Cal), 202-225-0100
Send an email to your Senators and Representative asking them to help expedite this process.

http://www.now.org/lists/now-action-list/msg00216.html

PS -- NOW boasts nearly 10,000 signatures for their petition. NOW publicly states its membership as 500,000 women. That means, by my simple Patriarchal math, that 490,000 of their members could give a shit.

[Sir Percy]

A good call Roy.

The NOW org has a good means on its site for sending emails. I wish we had something similar on this site so we could have a large scale response mechanism.

http://www.capwiz.com/now/mail/oneclick_compose/?alertid=8266711

Does anyone know of a men's Rights site that has such a facility? One where different large scale emailouts can be organised.

[Men's Rights Activist]

Glenn Sacks has had access to some of those canned emails on some of his campaigns.  I've never seen RADAR do that.  

By the way, where is RADAR?  If VAWA is dying a slow death because of inattention by our elected representatives is there any way we can help "pull the plug."  I'm not a big fan of euthanasia, but in the case of VAWA you can call me Jack Kavorkian aka "Dr. Death."  

I'd love to see VAWA scrapped completely and the entire domestic violence industry put out of work.  Duh, we do have (always have had) laws against assault and/or murder.  It's not like VAWA has really done women any good.  In the ten years VAWA has been in effect the same number of women victims of intimate partner homicide has remained fairly constant.  Conisder that alongside all the families destroyed, and all the lives of men and children destroyed, not to mention some women, and it is plain for any fool to see that the U.S. would be far better off if VAWA had never been authorized.  Why throw good money after bad and fund this abomination again.

If the U.S. must have a domestic violence program, by all means fire anyone in the existing programs with any connection to gender feminist ideology.  Better yet, through those gender feminists in prison for perpetrating the biggest fraud in the history of America.

[whome112]

Duh, we do have (always have had) laws against assault and/or murder.  It's not like VAWA has really done women any good.  In the ten years VAWA has been in effect the same number of women victims of intimate partner homicide has remained fairly constant.  Conisder that alongside all the families destroyed, and all the lives of men and children destroyed, not to mention some women, and it is plain for any fool to see that the U.S. would be far better off if VAWA had never been authorized.  Why throw good money after bad and fund this abomination again.

There is an interesting argument which says that fully and completely adding men to the DV system would drop the number of murdered women. That is what I believe.

End the shame & blame of men: Add in compassion for victimized men and the result is the rate at which men kill their wives and women kill their husbands will match and drop slowly.

This concept comes from the idea that DV is to bullying as physics is to science. DV is a part of bullying. We already KNOW that to lower bullying rates one must firmly apply pressure to ALL parts of the system.

whome

[Men's Rights Activist]

"There is an interesting argument which says that fully and completely adding men to the DV system would drop the number of murdered women. That is what I believe.

End the shame & blame of men: Add in compassion for victimized men and the result is the rate at which men kill their wives and women kill their husbands will match and drop slowly."

Here's an article that also makes the point, "If you want to drop the rate of intimate partner homicides for women, then give men the same domestic violence care and services you give to women, instead of batterering men more after they've already been battered."
http://www.ifeminists.net/introduction/editorials/2005/0316blumhorst.html

"The numbers that exist, that the domestic violence industry has not been able to misrepresent or manipulate, female murder victims of domestic violence, indicate that the domestic violence industry is doing a terrible job of saving women's lives.

One is left to wonder about the efficacy of domestic violence treatment for falsely accused, male, domestic violence arrestees. When a man is being brutalized by a violent female in his home, will further brutalization of that man with arrest, prosecution and batterer training, do anything to improve his life or the life of the violent woman in his life? Does that inhuman treatment of the castigated male eventually make things worse for the violent woman in his life? Many men who've been labeled batterers by misguided domestic violence ideology are not. Many women who've been labeled victims by misguided domestic violence ideology are not. It appears to me that excusing female batterers not only cheats and hurts real victims it cheats and hurts everyone. One can only wonder how many men have actually been driven to murder their wives or girlfriends by the bungling ineffectiveness that passes for domestic violence industry methodology."

"One is left to wonder why such an aggressive industry has been so ineffective in lowering the intimate partner murder rate against women.

Insiders continue to sing the same old song they have been singing for the last decade, "We need more money to arrest more men so we can show we need more money to arrest more men." It makes some sense to a businessperson, since growth is a part of any good business practice, but is VAWA about maintaining and creating bureaucratic jobs, or is it about saving women's and men's lives?

Curiously, the rate of domestic violence murders of men has gone down - way down. I guess having a place to go, like a battered woman's shelter, when you feel like killing your husband or boyfriend, really helped some men to stay alive. Although the domestic violence industry may have saved some men's lives by getting their violent mates away to a shelter, the domestic violence industry has destroyed the lives of many other men with legal nightmares created by arrests of men falsely accused of domestic violence.

The domestic violence industry clings tenaciously to a belief that it must manufacture more and more female victims to get more and more money. To do that, more and more men are fed into the domestic violence arrest system to meet the goals of the industry. Thanks to laws like "primary aggressor," and "mandatory arrest" the gender feminist trained police are coerced to manufacture, ignore, or destroy evidence to support their gender profiling prejudices."

[Roy]

Excellent comments all round. There's no doubt that SYGers would like to see VAWA expire; and that's not at all the same thing as endorsing violence against women or anyone else.

My fervent hope is that VAWA be allowed to sunset. That will create at least a year of Congressional reexamination of our nation's policies and approaches to family conflict.

More importantly, if the rad-fems who control and administer the DV Industry are put out of business (for a while), then other more objective voices might be heard in an honest policy debate.

There is so much good research out there that has never seen the light of day let alone been invited for review at a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing. (Thanks Joe "Stalin" Biden! You're a real stud!)

Donald Dutton comes to mind immediately, along with a host of other insightful, objective social scientists who truly want to understand domestic conflict, rather than use DV to demonize masculinity and ignore female aggression. (Like, ummmm, maybe child homicide stats?)

I'd even be so tolerant as to enjoy seeing Wendy McElroy and her i-am-still-a-feminist camp get a fair hearing!

If VAWA exits the stage, then all the other competing ways of understanding family conflict, gender wars, and human domestic aggression can get some intelligent airplay. (That's precisely what the radical feminists fear ... free speech, fair debate, and real diversity!)

DV is not going to go away. There will always be aggression between intimate partners (so far, lesbians are No. 1), and in families of whatever nuclear or blended composition.

VAWA serves to silence all "ways of knowing" DV that do not conform to the radical feminist / Evil Patriarchy / Duluth Model.

The only way to truly fix a terribly broken system of injustice is to do away with VAWA and start over.

[Men's Rights Activist]

VAWA is largely Stalinist, gender feminist propaganda.  This is a little political, but as I see it, the gender feminsts who run VAWA are 100% opposed to anything Republican.  Why, oh why a single Republican should support VAWA as it has existed the last 10 years defies sanity.   Sure there'll be a huge outcry if VAWA ends with no substitute so we may see some big Republican variation on VAWA (faith based) if the Republicans attempt to de-power the gender feminists running it.  Gender feminists have been wanting to get their d.v. hooks into chivalrous churches for some time so I'm not sure that's a wise move.  Gender feminists hate "the Patriarchy" and see churches as the primary source of that. Given how many churches are as wise as a doddo birds when it comes to VAWA that could be a real problem.

I did hear from a friend that the big Men's Leadership Conference in San Diego will this year be organized with a much stronger emphasis on the faith based community.  That event is coming up in a few months.   Believe it or not that group has asked for involvement from a well known and honored MRA.  No he never climbed a flag pole in a super hero suit, but as we all know you also don't get to be honored as an MRA by just being a blogger.

You may recall San Diego was one of Bush's Family Injustice Center Models for the nation.

The gender feminists are so deeply entrenched in the d.v. industry I see problems anyway VAWA heads short of a complete and dractic overhaul.  I am not optimistic that things will change for the better as "poiuyt" points out, but it is curious that things are being debated as long as they are.  One can only hope that some significant changes will be made for the better.  Of course, it's also possible the conservatives have been arguing for a more Draconian DNA collection clause to obtain the DNA of every male born on earth anytime a woman says she was just afraid he might do something.

Lines are being drawn in the sand.  The more abusive our government and churches treat males the more outraged MRA's will become and the more they will need legal constructive sources to vent their outrage.

I saw just last night on the tube some guy ran his pick up truck into the house where his female significant other was, then into a tree.  It said he turned himself in later and that the female was slightly injured.  The headline on the (White Women's News channel) said "domestic incident."  Was the guy injured?  No mention one way or the other.