Researching!

Started by lkanneg, Nov 28, 2005, 05:35 AM

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lkanneg

Okay, this is going to be a loooooooooooong post...I am gathering up any and all items I said I would research that I can find via the search function and listing them all here.  I'd better number them as I go or nobody is going to be able to keep track, especially me.  Here we go:

No. 1:
lkanneg wrote:
Actually, I think I read somewhere that sperm carry the only genetic instructions for placenta formation.

PowerMan72 wrote:
Link please?

lkanneg wrote:
Argh, I can't remember where I read that...I think it was in the context of parthenogenesis, you know, where an ovum is stimulated to begin division without fertilization (considered an alternative to true embryo harvest for stem cell research). I think I remember reading that one reason put forward for not considering the results of human parthenogenesis to be "embryos" is that, since they began cell division without sperm, they could never develop a placenta because the genetic instructions for placenta formation are contained within sperm. Without the ability to form a placenta, a parthenogenic ovum is not capable of ever becoming a baby.

I will keep an eye out for that article or any similar article on the subject and post a link here if I find it again.
quot;Remember no one can make you feel inferior without your consent."
--Eleanor Roosevelt

"Something which we think is impossible now is not impossible in another decade."
-- Constance Baker Motley

"Don't compromise yourself. You are all you've got."
--Janis Joplin

lkanneg

No. 1:

I haven't come across this anywhere again.  I'm positive I read it somewhere, but it isn't an assertion I can currently back up.  Sorry.
quot;Remember no one can make you feel inferior without your consent."
--Eleanor Roosevelt

"Something which we think is impossible now is not impossible in another decade."
-- Constance Baker Motley

"Don't compromise yourself. You are all you've got."
--Janis Joplin

lkanneg

No. 2:

Mr Benn wrote:
Besides, I don't think you'll find that most people throughout the past few thousand years had expectations of 'romance' at the fore of their minds. Marriages in the past were far more likely to be about more practical considerations.

lkanneg wrote:
I think those are two different statements...I disagree with the first but agree with the second.


Mr Benn wrote:
And what evidence do you have that the average woman during the last few thousand years has had romance at the fore of her mind? I don't see how you can make such an assertion.
quot;Remember no one can make you feel inferior without your consent."
--Eleanor Roosevelt

"Something which we think is impossible now is not impossible in another decade."
-- Constance Baker Motley

"Don't compromise yourself. You are all you've got."
--Janis Joplin

Sir Percy

I hope Mr Benn produced evidence too for his wild assertion. Mr Benn? Dr. E?
vil, like misery, is Protean, and never greater than when committed in the name of 'right'. To commit evil when they are convinced they are doing 'good', is one of the greatest of pleasures known to a feminist.

lkanneg

No. 2:

Truly, people who don't have all their basic physical needs met are probably not giving the majority of their thought to romance.  So on that basis, I couldn't claim that the historically enormous quantities of people who were starving, freezing, etc. most of the time had romance at the forefront of their minds.

However, romantic sagas, poetry and epics are the spine and nervous system of human history, as soon as humans acquired the literacy to write them down.  At certain historical times, the romance was the pinnacle of artistic achievement.  If anyone desires, I can provide links on these topics (but all you really have to do is type "romance" and "history" into Google).
quot;Remember no one can make you feel inferior without your consent."
--Eleanor Roosevelt

"Something which we think is impossible now is not impossible in another decade."
-- Constance Baker Motley

"Don't compromise yourself. You are all you've got."
--Janis Joplin

lkanneg

No. 3:  

Galt wrote:
Will you statistically get a much lighter sentence for exactly the same offense if you commit a crime?
lkanneg wrote:I don't know--good question, I'll have to research it and find out

No. 4:
Galt wrote:
Are people generally much nicer to you in public?

lkanneg wrote:I don't know--I'll have to start paying attention to that as a gender issue to find out

No. 5:
Are you statistically much more likely to be given money in a divorce - sometimes huge amounts - even if your behavior caused the divorce (e.g. affair) and even if you didn't work for the money?
lkanneg wrote:
I don't know--good question, I'll have to research it and find out

No. 6:

Galt wrote:
Do you have much more money spent on your health concerns in reality (e.g. 5 times as much on breast cancer as on prostate cancer - although they have roughly the same death rates) while you simultaneously claim that more has to be done for you?

lkanneg wrote: Excluding reproductive organ concerns, no, I don't think so, but I'd have to research it to find out. Including reproductive concerns, yes. Though I don't claim more needs to be done for me.

No. 7:
Galt wrote: Is there far less scorn and pressure on you by society when you are an irresponsible doofus?

lkanneg wrote: I don't know--maybe yes--good question, I'll have to research it and find out
quot;Remember no one can make you feel inferior without your consent."
--Eleanor Roosevelt

"Something which we think is impossible now is not impossible in another decade."
-- Constance Baker Motley

"Don't compromise yourself. You are all you've got."
--Janis Joplin

contrarymary

Attention all SYG members:  

The following is a public service announcment from the unofficial secretary of the SYG Fairness Committee.  This is just a test of the Fairness in Posting System:


You're all going to really love     :roll:    this little interjection, but I have to relate something about a statement Lisa made which met with a bit of derision - she stated her husband was afraid of spiders.  Well, T is terrified of bees.  I mean really terrified. He doesn't scream, of course, but he does head for the Raid in a barely concealed panic -

I didn't think it was possible anyone could hate the disgusting little things  more than I do, but it's true.  It stems from a severe stinging by multiple bees when he was younger. Quite understandable, in fact.

I don't know why Lisa's husband hates spiders, but it's not outside the realm of possibility.

The preceding was a public service announcement from the Fairness Committee.  This was just a test.   Had this been a genuine attempt at being fair, The Fairness Committee secretary would also research a number of her  own posts and point out when she was being an evasive coward as well.

You  will now return to your regularly scheduled programming.    
quot;I can resist anything but temptation."

 Oscar Wilde

Men's Rights Activist

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"I couldn't claim that the historically enormous quantities of people who were starving, freezing, etc. most of the time had romance at the forefront of their minds."


There was a special on the history channel about that Japanese run prison camp in the Philipines that was liberated by Rangers in WWII.  One of the actual survivors of the camp commented that he couldn't remember anyone ever talking about sex, but did remember that food was often talked about.  I recall hearing similar comments and stories from people in starvation situations.

Still, many people on earth have had lots of well nourished days as the over-population of the planet will overwhelmingly attest to.
Life, Liberty, & Pursuit of Happiness are fundamental rights for all (including males), & not contingent on gender feminist approval or denial. Consider my "Independence" from all tyrannical gender feminist ideology "Declared" - Here & Now!

lkanneg

No. 8:
Gonzokid wrote:
You will be presumed to be the primary caregiver in the event of a divorce - and sometimes even with evidence to the contrary.

lkanneg wrote: I don't know about that from personal experience, but it sounds like a reasonable assertion. I will research it.
quot;Remember no one can make you feel inferior without your consent."
--Eleanor Roosevelt

"Something which we think is impossible now is not impossible in another decade."
-- Constance Baker Motley

"Don't compromise yourself. You are all you've got."
--Janis Joplin

lkanneg

CM--Actually, it's my EX-husband who's afraid of spiders.  My current husband is afraid of snakes.   :D

(I'm afraid of wasps.)
quot;Remember no one can make you feel inferior without your consent."
--Eleanor Roosevelt

"Something which we think is impossible now is not impossible in another decade."
-- Constance Baker Motley

"Don't compromise yourself. You are all you've got."
--Janis Joplin

SIAM

Ikanneg, I thought Dr E was actually asking you to tell us the findings of your research, not simply re-produce all the unfinished arguments in a single thread.

lkanneg

Quote from: "IMHO"
Ikanneg, I thought Dr E was actually asking you to tell us the findings of your research, not simply re-produce all the unfinished arguments in a single thread.


If Dr. E chimes in with you on this one, I'm leaving for good.  Please let this be a case of you being the only person who doesn't get what I'm doing here.   :)
quot;Remember no one can make you feel inferior without your consent."
--Eleanor Roosevelt

"Something which we think is impossible now is not impossible in another decade."
-- Constance Baker Motley

"Don't compromise yourself. You are all you've got."
--Janis Joplin

lkanneg

No. 3:

Here's what I found:

Females convicted of violent felonies get an average sentence of 83% of a male's.
Females convicted of property felonies get the same average sentence as males.
Females convicted of drug felonies get an average sentence of 86% of a male's.  

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/wo.pdf
quot;Remember no one can make you feel inferior without your consent."
--Eleanor Roosevelt

"Something which we think is impossible now is not impossible in another decade."
-- Constance Baker Motley

"Don't compromise yourself. You are all you've got."
--Janis Joplin

SIAM

(Edited)

OK, I just wrote a post re-iterating that I didn't know what you're doing here....now you've actually provided some research findings for a point.  

I have to say - it would easier just to prepare all this in one single post, rather than do it peicemeal like you're doing - it is a bit confusing.

lkanneg

No. 4:

This is a complex question, highly dependent upon who in public we are talking about, and how we define "nice."  For "people in public" I am going to look at the following categories:  coworkers with whom I am not already friends; service personnel (waitstaff, checkers, auto mechanics, salespeople, etc.); total strangers (people in elevators, people in lines at the grocery store, fellow bar patrons, etc.); and "peacekeepers" (police officers, park officials, bouncers, etc.)

Coworkers with whom I am not already friends:
I can't detect a gender difference.  Nobody is nicer to me than they are to, say, Bob.  

Service personnel:
Those attempting to sell me traditionally female items and services tend to be friendlier to me than to men, though they aren't mean to the men; they just tend to ignore their existence.  Those attempting to sell me traditionally male items and services pretty much treat me just like the female item/service sellers treat the men.  Those attempting to sell me gender-neutral items and services vary so wildly by personality that I can't detect a pattern either way.

Total strangers:
Sober ones are nicer to me than to men, though again, they aren't generally mean to the men; they usually just ignore them more.  Drunk ones are hideously obnoxious, though I imagine they think they're being "nicer."  For instance, when I'm out at a bar with my husband, nobody talks to him and a few people, more often male than female but still some female, talk a little to me.  He goes to the bathroom, I have a series of guys practically climbing on my lap and making extremely personal remarks to me while he's gone.    When I go to the bathroom, nobody, male or female, interacts with him while I'm gone.  

"Peacekeepers:"
Much nicer to me than to the men.
quot;Remember no one can make you feel inferior without your consent."
--Eleanor Roosevelt

"Something which we think is impossible now is not impossible in another decade."
-- Constance Baker Motley

"Don't compromise yourself. You are all you've got."
--Janis Joplin

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