Are you man enough to try this???????

[Mr. X]

Then you will have to change your behavior to avoid the perceptions of others. And continue changing it as the goal posts are moved further and further afield.

That's all I'm saying.

No. For example, dating is legal and acceptable in out society yet, if I went around saying a female coworker was dating another coworker cause I saw them get coffee together I think I'd land in hot water.

I think the accusation is a dumb thing to say. I am NOT limited to either ignoring or changing behavior. I can, for example, do exactly what the gay community does and point out its a wrong assumption.


And gays DO deal with that don't they. Gays are accused of being perverts, being like pedophiles, being like people who have sex with animals. Should gays merely keep changing and hiding cause "the goal posts keep moving farther away" if accused of these things? You and I both know gays are not pedophiles. So should they tolerate being associated with pedophiles and just "deal with it"?

[Sir Farts-A-Lot]

Are you man enough to do something that chicks do?

Nope. Guess not.

[Factory]

:shock:

So now I can't call up a buddy and see if he wants to go to the bar?  Or maybe go hang out and play pool?

This is now somehow a subject of scrutiny?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this basically what we commonly refer to as "doing something with your friends"?  Who the fuck are these morons at the NYT?

Uh oh...men are talking...better try and de-normalize any social bonding with other men that they may have.   :roll:

[Men's Rights Activist]

"Hey, let's do something."  That's not a date, it's fellowship with a male friend.  Dating as I've always know it involves the mystery of manuvering for some degree of intimacy with the opposite sex.  

Sure I take women to places I've been to with male friends, but the event was the focus when going someplace and doing something with a male friend.  When dating, the manuvering with the opposite sex for some degree of intimacy is the game.

Date with woman - "Manuvering to get a little closer and breath in the phermones (for beginers)?"

Doing something with a guy - Shooting the breeze about cars, adventures, women, movies, sports, etc. in no particular order, or doing something seeing a movie and critiquing it, going to a ball game, etc.

[Rob]

I'd like to see a study done about why men seem to be more loyal to their friends than women, or why men seem to have best friends for life while women only seem to talk about being betrayed by their ex best friends.

Perhaps the problem is that women have a hard time even getting along with themselves. Check out Amp's blog and see how well they get along without having the big bad MRA's to get argue with. Seems to me that they just want to criticize and fight with everyone! Poor Amp, he's getting all the grief of a hetero relationship without even being a hetero! That'll learn him! Now he knows what it's like to go through a divorce, I guess! (Wow, now they're talking that Amp doesn't have a right to run his own blog because he isn't a woman - in case you think we were hard on him in "Famous Ginmar Quotes" - once the men leave, it just degrades into chaos!)

Leave me and my buddies alone, women! Bro's before hoes! You have no business sticking your noses into men's relationship with one another, so buzz off! It's one of the last things on earth that feminism hasn't entirely corupted - YET!

The Beatles were doing just fine until Yoko stuck her big nose into it!

[typhonblue]

I'd like to see a study done about why men seem to be more loyal to their friends than women, or why men seem to have best friends for life while women only seem to talk about being betrayed by their ex best friends.

The studies I've seen suggest that women's social networks are a lot stronger and larger then men's. And that the two things most deadly to men's relationships with eachother are (according to the men themselves) homophobia and antipathy from the women in their lives.

My source is the book, _Men's Friendships_ edited by Peter M. Nardi. It's a very good read.

[whome112]

The article is tinged with misandry and masculophobia. It is only an example of the contempt so many women hold for men.

whome

[The Biscuit Queen]

The man date rules:

* Business meetings don't count. Neither do sporting events.
* The outing must be the kind you would arrange with a woman, such as a visit to a museum.
* Eating together if there is no TV counts. Eating in a bar does not.
* Taking a walk in the park counts. Jogging does not.
* Going to the movies counts. Going to a basketball game does not.

If you've seen the movie "Sideways," you've seen a man date--a very long and wine-soaked man date, notes the Times.

Tips for man dates so no one thinks you're gay:

* Beer and hard liquor are acceptable drinks. Wine may be risky; order it only by the glass and never share a bottle.
* Choose a steak place over a romantic Italian restaurant. Never do brunch.
* Don't ever cook at home for your friend unless you're grilling or deep-frying.
* Each man pays for himself. Don't ever pay for your friend or let him pay for you.
* Choose movies with explosions and lots of special effects. Never see a romantic comedy on a man date. You might even want to make sure there's an empty seat between you.

The golden rule of man dates: If a woman comes along, the man date can be canceled even at the last minute with no questions asked.

OK, so she is defining what men can do together. Why can't a man cook something which is not grilled or deep fried? Why can't they eat at a bar? Why can't two guys share a bottle of wine?

This is so stupid. It is none of her damn business what you guys do when you are out.

The outing must be the kind you would arrange with a woman

Why? Why are sports out, and only women things ok? Why is walking ok and jogging not?

This is the most stupid article. Who the hell is she to define what is acceptable for two men together. The irony is she sets it up so that the men look gay (ie long walks, nice dinner together, museums) then tells you how not to look gay.

She has built a house of cards.

The guys I know go do whatever they want together. Shopping, gaming, movies, just about anything. And they really aren't calling it a man date. Really.

Oh, and I do not call my girl time 'dates' either. It's "hanging out".

:roll:

[devia]

Of course the article is stupid, and anyone with a half a brain knows it.

However it does remind me of what happened to my husband and his best freind. His freind is a chef, and they have a whenever possible weekly ritual of a golf game and trying a new restaurant, not to mention a couple of bottles of good wine.. They were once denied a table, not quite denied, the matrie'de simply said "I suggest you go elsewhere"

We all joked about a lawsuit but frankly none of the involved wanted to make headlines paving new ground for gay rights. But yeah they assume that some will assume that they are that way because of experiences like this.

On the otherhand when the three of us go out together on a "fine dining" night (sometimes I get invited) we've gotten similar off the cuff remarks, which are funny but in a way disheartening. Nope, is it so hard to believe that all of us just enjoy good food/wine and each other's company?

[typhonblue]

Of course the article is stupid, and anyone with a half a brain knows it.

However it does remind me of what happened to my husband and his best freind. His freind is a chef, and they have a whenever possible weekly ritual of a golf game and trying a new restaurant, not to mention a couple of bottles of good wine.. They were once denied a table, not quite denied, the matrie'de simply said "I suggest you go elsewhere"

We all joked about a lawsuit but frankly none of the involved wanted to make headlines paving new ground for gay rights. But yeah they assume that some will assume that they are that way because of experiences like this.

Wow. They're using gay to keep men in their place, just like they use every other insunation of bad behavior.

[Mr. X]

Of course the article is stupid, and anyone with a half a brain knows it.

However it does remind me of what happened to my husband and his best freind. His freind is a chef, and they have a whenever possible weekly ritual of a golf game and trying a new restaurant, not to mention a couple of bottles of good wine.. They were once denied a table, not quite denied, the matrie'de simply said "I suggest you go elsewhere"

We all joked about a lawsuit but frankly none of the involved wanted to make headlines paving new ground for gay rights. But yeah they assume that some will assume that they are that way because of experiences like this.

Wow. They're using gay to keep men in their place, just like they use every other insunation of bad behavior.

typhonblue, I would not lump being gay into a "bad behavior" category. I would put it into an "I don't like that" category.

But Devia's example does show that discrimination can hurt the discriminator. In this case the restaurant lost customers based on a bad assumption. I think they have a right to serve anyone they like and their loss of customers is a more dramatic effect.

[Quentin0352]

Wow. They're using gay to keep men in their place, just like they use every other insunation of bad behavior.

Less of a behavior item than a typical attempt to use shame to force others t do as you want. Of course feminists are great at that one. Heck, just saw another one of those ads stating "It takes a real man to be a father!" but of course there are tons of real men busting their humps to be a father to their children and they are being banned by the same government sponsoring these ads.

[GregA]

Just back from a "man date", we saw a movie, then went to Hooters and got a bite to eat.

And I'll have you know, we have been doing "Man Dates" since before "Man Dates" were trendy...

In other news...

Tomorrow morning a good chance the sun will rise...

Its winter, so likely to be really cold...

On edit:

OMG I committed a faux pas! We didnt go dutch!!!  The horror:P  When we left Hooters, I just grabbed the check and paid, I didn't even think about it.