Blair 'planning prostitution crackdown'

[zarby]

Rob Layton:

I am not a customer, but I think I can answer it fairly confidently.

Relationships with women can be a pain in the ass. Sometimes, a relationship is not available for whatever reason whether the guy
is down on his luck or just off a ship or whatever.  The appeal
of plunking a few bucks down and getting well satisfied is there.

The problem is that the ones I see I wouldn't want to touch.
This is getting repetitive with an earlier thread now.

I find your question a little surprising. Are you suggesting that
you have never had a dry spell? You have always been
well statisfied? Hell, even married men have dry spells.
I can speak to that one from personal experience.

[Rob Layton]

Zarby... the way a man decides to pleasure himself is the right of that person. I am merely posing a somewhat deeper question.

[zarby]

Rob Layton:

I guess you are operating at a deeper level than I right now.

Actually, I don't think the answer to your question is very "deep." It is rather "shallow." I don't think people go to prostitutes for really "deep" reasons.

[Rob Layton]

I did not mean anything personal ..please accept my apologies if you thought I had offended you.

[zarby]

No offense taken.

I just have not found the deeper question.

I am looking for it.

You are quite a gentleman -- more than I.

I am wondering if your symbol means what it might appear to mean.
Are you in the clergy?

[SIAM]

Rob, I think most guys who use prostitutes simply get a thrill out of it - they get to choose the women they get to have sex with, no matter how "unattainable" the women would be under normal circumstances.  Want a blonde with a big rack? Check.  Slim girl? Check.  Whatever you want.  Your average Joe doesn't have these choices available to him normally.  Sure, your average Joe probably wouldn't want to go with prostitutes regularly ANYWAY (I sure wouldn't), but it's a tempting once-in-a-while option for many men.  Also, not just the choice, but many men don't want the hassle of a relationship but want sex (as has been mentioned many times now!).  I understand if your question is based on morality. Morality aside, however, there has, is, and always will be, a demand for paid sex and women willing to supply it.

[dr e]

Yes IMHO, demand is critical as is supply.  It's all about supply and demand.

[Drifter]

This is a very intersesting subject, forgive me if I have not seen anyone ask the question, why is there a need for prostitution ?
Prostitution has always been there why ?

Because sex isn't always freely available, and there is always someone willing to sell it for money.

The morality of prostitution is a tricky topic. There is no single set of moral values, often because morality is based on accepted norms, which are constantly changing (indeed, accepted norms are based on morality).

The standard Christian moral viewpoint is the benchmark of moral values and declares prostitution to be a sin. However, most modern morality is based on the idea that people should be able to do anything they choose unless it harms other members of society. The notable exceptions in law being drugs (which indirectly harms society), voluntary euthanasia (where it is questionable how authentic the consent is) and wearing seatbelts (which saves so many lives, a law seemed prudent). Accordingly, prostitution between two consenting adults should be legal unless it can be proven that prostitution has a large negative effect on the rest of society (in a similar way to hardcore drugs).

[westcoast2]

Rob Layton posed this question....

why is there a need for prostitution ?

How do you define prostitution?  (or as I mispelled earlier prostitition!)

As a guide some might say Sex for sale or sexual favours for sale.

Yet what does this mean?  The scale of what can be called 'sex' is very broad, from mainstream to not so mainstream to certainly outside the mainstream.  

Now, imagine if you will for a moment, you have a non-mainstream impulse.  Now imagine you are married and your wife does not share this or you are not married and do not know anyone who shares this.

What do you do?  Perhaps an answer is to find a willing adult to share with, though this may cost.  So we return to prostitution and supply/demand.

Rather than find a willing adult,  maybe this is a self-control issue and prostitution is not needed?  Then again who defines what is in effect a total self-control issue within this realm and more specifically when it comes to *consenting* adults?  

Perhaps a reading of some psychology on the subject may be of assistance.  (Not on the sex, on the understanding of what could be construed as sexual behaviour).

This 'crackdown on prostitution' is not.  It is a crackdown on what happens in and around some types of prostitution especially on the street.

In this context it could be construed as part of a control mechanism as mentioned earlier here and by others.  Therefore, rather than self-control, imposed control.  Now the question is why and to what end?  Reread earlier posts for a take on this or perhaps David Icke has some thoughts too?

[tricycle]

The question "why is there a need for prostitution" can and does have many answers.

My friend Daylan says that when he and his friends see prostitutes they aren't just paying for sex, they are paying for the girl/woman to go away afterwards.
Uncomplicated sex has a huge attraction.

Not all prostitution is about sex - many 'clients' want company, a women to listen to them, a naked woman to lie next to them. Older clients who are unable to achieve an errection want to feel the intimacy of a woman they can touch and who will touch them.

[SIAM]

My friend Daylan says that when he and his friends see prostitutes they aren't just paying for sex, they are paying for the girl/woman to go away afterwards.

My emphasis.

[tricycle]

IMHO - for these guys that is the most important part of the transaction.

No calling the day after, no having to beg for sex/affection/attention, no worrying if the woman will try to claim she was coerced into sex.
Daylan says that he would like to be in a relationship, but it's a bloody minefield and until that changes he will continue to visit sex workers.

[Rob Layton]

The question "why is there a need for prostitution" can and does have many answers.

My friend Daylan says that when he and his friends see prostitutes they aren't just paying for sex, they are paying for the girl/woman to go away afterwards.
Uncomplicated sex has a huge attraction.

Not all prostitution is about sex - many 'clients' want company, a women to listen to them, a naked woman to lie next to them. Older clients who are unable to achieve an errection want to feel the intimacy of a woman they can touch and who will touch them.

I believe you are right on the button with this, as many of the posters are.
Let me pose this question, do you think that prostitution would decline in demand, with the death of feminism ?

[zarby]

Rob,

Your question was I know asked of another but if it is OK I will respond.

I guess the obvious answer would be "no" because it has always existed even long before feminism. It would be obvious to say that it has always been here and always will be whether there is feminism or not.

I don't think that is the correct answer though. It is hard to know. I doubt there are very many even close to reliable statistics given that the activity is illegal. Further, the definition is ambiguous. I happen to think a lot of boyfriend / girl friend relationships border on prostitution. I have seen many a girlfriend talking about how her boyfriend bought her new tires or even a new car. Many of course have multiple boyfriends.

Back on point, I think pornography is a form of prostitution. Even if the "live performances" have not sky rocketed since feminism has become well entrenched. I think the "internent performances" have. I think this is in part due feminism and the poor state of male female relationships. There are obviously a lot of men who are venting their sexual energies with internet pornography.

I think almost all men would rather have a quality relationship with a real woman than with a prostitute or the internet. If they were well satisfied, then they wouldn't be spending so much time on internet pornography.

[johnnyp]

http://www.itn.co.uk/news/britain_88487.html

Home Office Minister Fiona MacTaggart told a newspaper: "I'm not tolerant of the view that prostitution is the oldest profession in the world and there's nothing you can do to reduce it.

"Prostitution blights communities and is frankly intolerable. This is not something that communities have to live with.

good - then get women to stop exploiting men