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sethay

People like Chris are part of the reason it is sometimes hard to call myself an MRA.

Chris Key

Quote from: "Dr Evil"
I think both Typhon and Chris might want to read rule #4 again:

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4. Negative global generalizations about either gender like "Men are Pigs" or "Women are whores" are not allowed.


Larry Sommers would not have been banned.  Noting differences between men and women is fine.  It is the negative global generalizations that are against the rules.  I thought that saying women were immoral and selfish fit in that category.  Typhon's arguments about men and women have never seemed to me to be in that genre.  That's my opinion.

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Dr Evil,

Well I can understand what you're saying, as the feminists have been making negative generalisations about men for the last 160 years.  If you wish to know, I also make a lot of *negative* comments about men, and to be honest, I am angrier with men than women at the moment, as it's the men who allow feminism to exist.

I can see why TBQ would have been angered with my comment, as I should have shown some gentility in how I worded my statement.  

I can understand why a lot of women would be angered by a lot of the Men's Forums, as the men on them tend to be bigoted in a lot of ways.

The reason that I joined your forum, is because the men and women seem to talk about political issues, and I LOVE to talk about politics.  Every other men's forum on the net seems to be a male version of the *Oprah Winfrey Show*, where all the sex-obsessed men come to talk about their *Dating Issues*, and other useless drivel that has no correlation to intelligent discussion.

I do believe that this is a wonderful forum, and that's due to it's professionalism.  On my forum I do not care how people speak, as I believe that the Men's Movement needs as many DETERMINED and STRONG-MINDED men as possible, and they NEED a domain where they can say what is on their chest.

In the Terms of Service of my forum, I have told all the users that they are NOT to talk about their *Dating Issues* or any other discussion that relates to *SEX, DATING and MARRIAGE*, as masculine men do not talk about such useless drivel.  My forum is a place to talk about political issues, and I don't care if the members use profanity or talk in an uncouth manner, as I do not believe there is anything wrong with swearing.

What do you think about the sex-obsessed men of society?  Do you share the same opinions as me?
Men's Rights Activist,
Chris Key


Men's Rights Online - http://www.mens-rights.net

Men's Rights Online Forum - http://forum.mens-rights.net

Chris Key

Quote from: "sethay"
People like Chris are part of the reason it is sometimes hard to call myself an MRA.


Dr. Evil, would *sethay's* comment qualify as a *Personal Attack*?

Let me ask you a couple questions *sethay*.

1.  What have you done for the Men's Movement?
2.  What makes you think that you *qualify* as a Men's Rights Activist?

A Men's Rights Activist is a person who TALKS to politicians about Men's Issues, IDENTIFIES the laws that are anti-male, EDUCATES other men, IDENTIFIES the evil feminists, and offers help to other men.

Have you performed any of those actions *sethay*, or do you merely post at a few or two?

Here is a list of my accomplishments as an MRA:

- I DO talk to politicians.
- I DO talk to the feminists.
- I DO educate other men about Men's Rights.
- I DO learn about the laws that are anti-male.
- I DO learn about the history of the law system
- I DO complain to the various organisations who promote misandry.
Men's Rights Activist,
Chris Key


Men's Rights Online - http://www.mens-rights.net

Men's Rights Online Forum - http://forum.mens-rights.net

Mr Benn

Quote from: "sethay"
People like Chris are part of the reason it is sometimes hard to call myself an MRA.


Don't then. I'm sure no-one will loose any sleep over it.
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Mr Benn

Quote from: "The Biscuit Queen"
Chris, you are acting like a pompus jerk. This IS a forum about men's rights, and if you are so disappointed with it WHY ARE YOU HERE?

There are moderation rules, which do not hinder the speech of most MRAs in the least who have a modicum of intelligence and self control,


Wow, you could teach a master-class on passive-aggressive attacks.
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Mr Benn

Quote from: "devia"

The same logic could say they are inferior.

Men have a much higher curve then women do on an IQ scale, many more male genius's and many more idiots.


If you visualise a bell-curve (a Gaussian distribution) then the male pattern you describe above would describe a lower curve, not a higher one.

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Not very logical to say men are intellectually superior as a whole, logical to say that a small minority of men outperform everyone else on the planet.


Some IQ studies show a higher male IQ average. So the conclusion one would draw from them is that men are intellectually superior as a whole. Secondly, the frontal lobes of the male brain tend towards more lateralised specialisation, the downside of this is that it opens the male brain up to a greater risk of damage, particularly in its early development. These men aren't "Idiots", they suffer from physiological impairments - some of which can be treated, increasingly so with new techniques. Including this small minority of men who have serious neurological impairments in the data for average IQ artificially lowers the average male IQ. It's the same as including wheelchair bound people in the statistics for how fast the average human walking speed is. If you take out people with such impairments from the 'average IQ' data, then men would shift even further up the scale, because on average more male babies suffer such damage.
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dr e

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What do you think about the sex-obsessed men of society? Do you share the same opinions as me?


I'm not so sure that is the way I would frame it.  I don't see American men as sex-obsessed.  I see them as being shamed for their desires, shamed for being male, and shamed for not being more like women.

I think supply and demand would tell us that when demand is medium and supply is very low it can look as though demand is much higher than it actually is.  Men have physical needs driven by their hormones.  It is interesting to hear from women who have to take testosterone supplements due to physical disease and to hear what they say.  The ones I have known have said, "Get me off this stuff, I am antsy and I can't stop thinking about sex."  Uh-huh.  Hello.  Young men get blasted with hormones that tell them to spread their seed and then find themsleves in environments that punish them for seeking sexual connections.  What a strange world we live in.  

As men get older the hormones start to abate and the manipulations and power grabs become much more clear.  Men can experience a different sort of freedom when they are older and not driven in the same ways they have been as young men to seek out sexuality.
Contact dr e  Lifeboats for the ladies and children, icy waters for the men.  Women have rights and men have responsibilties.

dr e

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Dr. Evil, would *sethay's* comment qualify as a *Personal Attack*?


No, I wouldn't think so.  Saying that we don't want to be like someone else is different from saying someone else is an asshole. Saying I don't want to be a democrat because of people like Nancy Pelosi is not an attack on Pelosi, it seems more a statement of comparison.  TBQ's remarks were much closer to being a personal attack with her use of the word "jerk" towards you.
Contact dr e  Lifeboats for the ladies and children, icy waters for the men.  Women have rights and men have responsibilties.

The Biscuit Queen

Mr Benn. Chris is probably not a jerk, he seems to me to be pretty intelligent and passionate. However, every third post mentions his web site, and in this thread he came right out and claimed that Dr E is not a real MRA, that this site is a joke, but he himself is a real MRA and come see a real MRA site at www.iamgreat.com[sarcasm]. Those words to me are pompous and pretty damn rude.
So yes, I think in that case he was being a pompous jerk. I have seen him write otherwise, so I know it is not a perminant affliction. You are well within your rights to say I am acting like a passive aggressive bitch. I probably am acting like one right now, but you know I am not usually like this. We all have our moments, and our triggers.

As far as the intelligence goes, it was more of a challenge. I know based on his previous writing that Chris is intelligent enough to be able to carry on a conversation, make his points, not be politically correct yet still follow the rules here.  Dr E has a few very simple rules that are fairly easy to follow. You can say all sorts of things, get in lots of heated debates, all without breaking those rules. You have to either *not care* or be *not able* in order to get banned. Chris may not care, and that is his choice. But if he does care he can get across everything he needs to with a little thought.

Personally?

I think the passion which comes from being 18 also comes with rashness and lack of forethought. Just as being older has its benifits and downsides. That is what COULD be so good about having a mix of people. We can definately use the energy and new perspectives of the younger generation, but they can also use the wider perspectives and patience of those who are older. Those of us in the middle can benifit from both.


Chris, spamming is not how many posts, but advertising. You are constantly advertising your web site here. That  is spamming.

Also, Typhon and I agree about once a year. The moment passed on the other thread, so don't expect me to even get involved in your tiff on this thread.

Also, there are many rather dull and average people who have perfect typing skills. And many geniuses who don't. I certainly am no genius, but I  do not think that my IQ should equal my typing skills either.

I think I made my point here, whether we agree or not, and I am not going to keep getting embroiled in your issues unless they are MRA topics. I will refrain from making any personal comments towards you, and would appreciate you doing the same.
he Biscuit Queen
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There are always two extremes....the truth lies in the middle.

Chris Key

Quote from: "Dr Evil"
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What do you think about the sex-obsessed men of society? Do you share the same opinions as me?


I'm not so sure that is the way I would frame it.  I don't see American men as sex-obsessed.  I see them as being shamed for their desires, shamed for being male, and shamed for not being more like women.

I think supply and demand would tell us that when demand is medium and supply is very low it can look as though demand is much higher than it actually is.  Men have physical needs driven by their hormones.  It is interesting to hear from women who have to take testosterone supplements due to physical disease and to hear what they say.  The ones I have known have said, "Get me off this stuff, I am antsy and I can't stop thinking about sex."  Uh-huh.  Hello.  Young men get blasted with hormones that tell them to spread their seed and then find themsleves in environments that punish them for seeking sexual connections.  What a strange world we live in.  

As men get older the hormones start to abate and the manipulations and power grabs become much more clear.  Men can experience a different sort of freedom when they are older and not driven in the same ways they have been as young men to seek out sexuality.



The release of testosterone does cause an adolescent male to become sexually aroused, however I think one can control it, that is if he puts his mind to it.  Not once have I ever felt the need to lose my virginity, and I am nearly 21-years-old.  In fact, I have always felt that the of *Sexual Intercourse* is exaggerated, and I feel as if women use it as their way of *Psychologically Controlling* men, so I just cannot like the act.

As a youth, I matured far quicker than the other boys, as I did and still have an excessively high level of testosterone.  I developed a full beard, a hairy chest, upper arms and shoulders by the time I was 15, and I loved being a man and took pride in being male.  When I saw the females at my school acting like manipulative monsters, I felt disgusted and chose to avoid them.

In my opinion, a lot of boys have been brainwashed into thinking that their masculinity is defined by the amount of sex and female approval that they can obtain, so they think it is a necessity to endure the most misandrist abuse that the girls can inflict upon them.

The male youth of today as not as easy to manipulate as the men from the 1960's, and I think that shows that men are NOT controlled by their sex-drives.  I think that men are controlled by their chivalrous nature, but not their sex-drive.

In my opinion, the men who try to blame their sex-drive for their inability to stand up for their rights, are no better than the women who use PMS to absolve themselves from taking accountability for their behaviour.

Anyway, I better get to bed, it's Midnight here.  Take care and have a nice day.
Men's Rights Activist,
Chris Key


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dr e

Benn - Do you see this as passive aggressive?  Pretty ironic don't you think?

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Wow, you could teach a master-class on passive-aggressive attacks.
Contact dr e  Lifeboats for the ladies and children, icy waters for the men.  Women have rights and men have responsibilties.

Mr Benn

Not at all. I only came here to defend Chris from the mob mentality I could see forming. If you have a problem with me then bann me. You'd be doing me a favour as posting here is a supreme waste of time.
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dr e

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The release of testosterone does cause an adolescent male to become sexually arroused, however I think one can control it, that is if he puts his mind to it. Not once have I ever felt the need to lose my virginity, and I am nearly 21-years-old. In fact, I have always felt that the of *Sexual Intercourse* is exaggerated, and I feel as if women use it as their way of *Psychologically Controling* men, so I just cannot like the act.


Yes, it is controllable but look at the knee-jerk judgement placed on men and boys for not controlling it.  Very little is said about the struggle and effort put into mastering ones impulses and much shaming is put into anyone who fails to conform.  I would like to see the boys who are controlling their impulses, which is the vast majority of boys, be honored for their efforts and accomplishments.  It ain't easy.

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As a youth, I matured far quicker than the other boys, as I did and still have an excessively high level of testosterone. I developed a full beard, a hairy chest, upper arms and shoulders by the time I was 15, and I loved being a man and took pride in being male. When I saw the females at my school acting like manipulative monsters, I felt disgusted and chose to avoid them.


Sounds like you are far ahead of most in your ability to see the truth of what is happening.

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In my opinion, a lot of boys have been brainwashed into thinking that their masculinity is defined by the amount of sex and female approval that they can obtain, so they think it is a necessity to endure the most misandrist abuse that the girls can inflict upon them.


Yes.  I've surely seen this.


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The male youth of today as not as easy to manipulate as the men from the 1960's, and I think that shows that men are NOT controlled by their sex-drives. I think that men are controlled by their chivalrous nature, but not their sex-drive.


We differ here.  I think men are controlled by both. I also think that both can be controlled with awareness and effort.

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In my opinion, the men who try to blame their sex-drive for their inability to stand up for their rights, are no better than the women who use PMS to absolve themselves from taking accountability for their behaviour.


Where do you see men blaming their sex drive for their inability to stand up for their rights?  What I see is millions of men who simply don't know their rights are being violated.  Millions of men who are sleeping thinking that the system will take care of everything.  Millions of men who are trusting their legislators to stick up for boys and men as much as for girls and women.  It is this sleep that is our enemy.  It is also the chivalrous male legislators who are a huge part of the problem.  That and the feminists.
Contact dr e  Lifeboats for the ladies and children, icy waters for the men.  Women have rights and men have responsibilties.

sethay

Quote from: "Mr Benn"
Not at all. I only came here to defend Chris from the mob mentality I could see forming. If you have a problem with me then bann me. You'd be doing me a favour as posting here is a supreme waste of time.


Then why do it?

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