Organized boycott of westernized women?

[no2fembots]

So I don't understand the anti-boycott point of view. I don't actually see it as a boycott. Why continue to put your hand on a hot griddle? I'm not going to play a game I can't win. Its that simple. Its all about economics and maximizing your profits. Why should I go to market A where I get little to nothing but being ignored or abused when I can go to market B and get treated like a person?

How much more ignoring and uncaring must western men endure before they realize western women just don't want them or like them.

Hey I'm doing EXACTLY what western women want. I am a gamma male leaving them alone so they can pursue the 10% of alpha males out there. I just feel why should I then toss in attention and consideration if I'm not part of the game. As a friend of mine always says "If you don't buy the car, you can't drive it around for a joy ride."

I say to guys stop standing aroundin the bleachers hoping you'll get picked by a bunch of women who don't care about you. Why be a drooling fan over someone who doesn't care. Here are my recommendations:

1. Only help people you feel will help you. No more mindless chivalry cause someone has ovaries.

2. Don't care if women are hurt or complain about being hurt. They don't care about you. Care about people who have EARNED IT.

3. Don't appease women. Don't try to win their favor. Don't cater to them being victims. They are not the dipstick that measures you as a person nor as a man. They stopped being women a long time ago so why would you think they know anything about a man to judge you.

4. Attention is a gold coin you give out to special people not a coupon you shove down everyone's throat on a street corner. Make someone earn your attention. If that won't happen then live without giving out attention.

5. Learn to take NO for an answer. Think of it as God's greatest gift. No means No and it means No in both directions. Again, if someone doesn't buy the car, they don't get to joy ride in it. BTW this IS advice women give each other all the time. If a guy isn't doing it for you DUMP HIM and move on. I only recommend the same for guys.

6. You are not the hero and you don't deserve the girl. Take the pot of gold instead. Trying to impress girls by selling out guys to get your angel wings is just pathetic. Ultimately NONE of these women care if you sell out every guy on earth to be Superman. You could be on fire and not one of them is going to open their cel phone and call an ambulance.

7. Quit stabbing men in the back. I don't like the gay lifestyle nor do I like gay groups pushing for PC forced acceptance of gays but stabbing those guys in the back ultimately stabs hetero men in the back. Again don't avoid things cause women will ridicule you for it. Do it JUST to piss them off. Go to a movie with a pal and, if they say you are gay, ask them if they would like you to recommend some better shoes for them. How can a group of women who tossed out their roles judge men for their lack of manliness. And again, if you do everything their way, what do you get? The opportunity to be ignored yet another day? Maybe there's a reason guys are turning gay and it ain't genes and it ain't in the water. Better yet, just tell a girl who accuses you of being gay "How the hell would you know what being a man is? You stopped being a woman a long time ago so just shut the f**k up DUDE!"

Mr. X, I had to quote your entire post... Brilliant!  I would not change a feckin' word!

My 2 cents worth.. no need to start an official 'girl-cott" as one is already underway, in the manner of men; that is, not as a unit in the Borg Collective, but as individual men making the choices that are right for them.

I think it is terribly sad that by doing so we become part of the destruction of the west, but waddygointodoaboutit?

[Mr. X]

Mr. X, I had to quote your entire post... Brilliant!  I would not change a feckin' word!

My 2 cents worth.. no need to start an official 'girl-cott" as one is already underway, in the manner of men; that is, not as a unit in the Borg Collective, but as individual men making the choices that are right for them.

I think it is terribly sad that by doing so we become part of the destruction of the west, but waddygointodoaboutit?

Yes, there is no need for a boycott cause, in the nature of men... no int he nature of people... men will move away from people who don't care about them and rip on them. ANY person, male or female, is going to do this.

Men supported women when women needed help. Now when men need help, women are no where to be found.

[JoeFin]

So I don't understand the anti-boycott point of view.

Was this directed towards my post?

I'm sorry but i don't understand. I did effectively remove myself of the available pool of males willing to sacrifice their life to the anti male feminist groups in this country.

As far as advocating foreign women as an option to American males, I have 3 websites exempted (free sites) from the new laws making meeting foreign women prohibitive. I pay the server fees, I wrote the code, and I worked to promote my site rankings through out google search results.

You want to know how far the feminist organisations are willing to go to squelch the message I so effectively deliver.

1. They have created numerous sites duplicating my sites content with 100s of black listed links to purposely trigger Google duplicate content filters and reduce the rankings of my sites in the google SERPs

2. They have used software the emulates google searches and clicks your site links knowing google is wise to this and will further reduce my site's effectivenenss in gaining top search engine results.

The fact I have traced these activities to an organisations currently receiving Federal funding (feminist group) is proof I piss them off. The fact I am sure they are monitoring my sites, sending me emails attempting to entrap me offering me 1000s of dollars to match them up with a Foreign woman is proof I am an effective thorn in their side.

Everyone here has seen the light has the right idea and should actively work to place there message ahead of the feminist regime here in America. Try blog rolling, press releases, forming 512 organisations, what ever it takes, but get the message across to Joe Blow - average US guy.

But don't fault me for being realistic

[Rob Layton]

I started my boycott a few years ago.

I believe alot of western societies have started as well.
I dont know the figures, but I would be interested to know the stats for the falling birthrates amongst couples in Western Europe.
The last I heard it was quite staggering.

[Peter]

Ad to the previous:

1. Shop at men owned small businesses who hire just men.
2. Do not turn your head even if she looks good.
3. Get a decent supply of free pornography.
4. Masturbate before every date. It makes you less needy and you do not give in to any temptations. Anyway, it is the only sex you will get.
5. Do not move a fin for her if she does not do anything for you.
6. Develop your hobbies.

[Sir Percy]

Do you want to add, hide in the wood-shed as No 7, as well?

[Sir Percy]

No2Fembots:

My 2 cents worth.. no need to start an official 'girl-cott" as one is already underway, in the manner of men; that is, not as a unit in the Borg Collective, but as individual men making the choices that are right for them.

Quite right. Boycott is reactionary. What a chap needs to do is give himself the consideration he gives to others, in equal measure. Value yourself. Respect yourself. Make your own choices. REQUIRE respect and consideration and appreciation from your relationships, even from acquaintences. Be more demanding of decent behaviour. Counter every demeaning phrase and  woman-speak such as , "I feel that you..." or 'You make me feel....", with a clear expression that you understand the manipulation and will not play. Women learn quickly. They are not all dumb. Some women, many,  are quite wonderful but have learned bad habits. Accept your task of putting yourself on a better footing. Demand MORE of women themselves.

[Fidelbogen]

The rapid avalanche of responses on this thread is something to behold! :shock:  But, quite natural,  I suppose.

I know damn well that a complete boycott of women (western or otherwise) ain't gonna happen. Biology is biology, and human nature is human nature. End of subject.

Besides, Sir Percy is right to a very large degree.

However....

...I do believe that the underlying principle of " saying no to women"  is something that men ought to hone to a fine edge and keep always ready in their toolkit, simply for the sake of the power it will bestow upon them, both individually and collectively.

Anybody follow me here..?

Women must reach a critical mass of cognition, on their collective mind level, that they no longer have the power to manipulate men by way of the male libido. They must come to understand (perhaps painfully, but so be it!) that they can never again take this age-old strategic advantage for granted.

Yes, i AM talking about something historically unprecedented here. Something epochal. Yes, yes...think Lysistrata!

Let's toss some ideas around. Suppose that this "boycott" comprised only a small percentage of nubile males....but enough to make a "dent"? How about, say, 5%..? That would be enough to put the squeeze on, enough to put the pressure on, and.....

...the men who choose to remain in the game would operate in a "seller's market", since they would experience reduced competition for the available pool of females. (They would be in a stronger position to dictate terms, and.... they would owe a certain debt of gratitude to the five-percenters.)

Of course, this whole subject is hugely complicated, and I can't hope to do it justice without writing a book, which I clearly ain't gonna do now.

But I will say this (and keeping it brief): There needs to be a radical change within male culture itself in order for this sort of thing to become fully effective. And that's the tough part; a lot of average males will balk at some of the changes in attitude, behavior and outlook that might be required of them.

[sorryisntgoodenough]

No, no, no.  A lot of the responses here dissapoint me.  You do have the power to effect change by boycott.  MRA webmasters need to be working on getting credible, accurate info posted about immigration law and best methods to find female companionship in South/Central America and Southeast Asia.  Remember the free market guys, when people are given a CHOICE, the balance of power will shift.  I was in a Kinkos a few hours ago, a couple of girls had a laptop that was frozen and they couldn't print something.  I walked up to them, diagnosed the problem, told them I knew what was wrong with it but that I wasn't going to fix it, and went about my day.  Little stuff like this will add up.    Unless a female is an immediate family member, or physically handicapped, don't even tell them which way the bank is. When the weaker females are affected by this neglect, more powerful ones will have to take notice, and realize they are causing this.  Then stuff like media bias can be tackled.

[SIAM]

Good posts Mr X.  Agree with you about the markets.  If you go to one market in earnest looking to offer your skills/wit/personality only to be mocked and derided on a daily basis, it's only a matter of time before you say "sod it, I'm going to another market".  And then imagine that you do go to this other market, and suddenly you ARE noticed, what kind of fool would go back to the previous market?

I love market forces.

Incidentally, in the Arianna thread where she states men are afraid of rich women, it's an incredibly rare site to see a western women with an Asian guy (I'm talking about....IN Asia). Why is this? Are Asian men also afraid? Or......could it be that Asian men have more sense, and women simply DO.NOT.MARRY.DOWN (economically speaking of course).

[Prometheus]

Sir Percy wrote:

Boycott is reactionary. What a chap needs to do is give himself the consideration he gives to others, in equal measure. Value yourself. Respect yourself. Make your own choices. REQUIRE respect and consideration and appreciation from your relationships, even from acquaintences. Be more demanding of decent behaviour. Counter every demeaning phrase and woman-speak such as , "I feel that you..." or 'You make me feel....", with a clear expression that you understand the manipulation and will not play. Women learn quickly. They are not all dumb. Some women, many, are quite wonderful but have learned bad habits. Accept your task of putting yourself on a better footing. Demand MORE of women themselves.

Very well said. I agree with Percy and others against a boycott or even a boycott mindset.  The whole notion smacks of the mirror image of feminist female separatists.  Both notions are absurd.  Western women are not the enemy.  Two generations of them have been (in most cases unwittingly) indoctrinated with feminist ignorance and double standards.  Yes there does need to be a lot of boundaries and limits set in relationships with them. Most of them do need to be taught that manners and respect must flow in both directions in relationships.  But I don't see many of them as the crass creatures that some on this thread do.

Hell. Some of my best friends are western women.

[Fidelbogen]

I was in a Kinkos a few hours ago, a couple of girls had a laptop that was frozen and they couldn't print something.  I walked up to them, diagnosed the problem, told them I knew what was wrong with it but that I wasn't going to fix it, and went about my day.  Little stuff like this will add up.    Unless a female is an immediate family member, or physically handicapped, don't even tell them which way the bank is. When the weaker females are affected by this neglect, more powerful ones will have to take notice, and realize they are causing this.  Then stuff like media bias can be tackled.

How does this kind of behavior help our cause? Did those girls know WHY you had done that? Did you explain to them that you were an MRA, or did you just leave them to conclude that you were being mean for no reason? Do you think they even would have understood what an MRA is? Do you think they would have thought well of MRAs, or poorly? Do you think those girls were feminists, or do you think they too feel that feminism sucks? Do you think your behavior would have driven them into the arms of feminism, or the opposite way?

In the long run, if you want to win somebody to your cause or bring them around to your way of thinking, what do you believe is the best way to go about it?:

1. Be mean to them and alienate them and force them to band against you, thereby working as your enemy's recruiting officer? Or....

2. Treat them decently so that they will feel morally obligated to you, and morally obligated to whatever standpoint you represent?

The policy you appear to be advocating will backfire and lead to backlash, my brotherman!

And believe me, I'm no sentimentalist; I'm no do-gooder. :twisted:

[Prometheus]

Fidelbogen wrote:

How does this kind of behavior help our cause? Did those girls know WHY you had done that?

All good questions in your post.  If  feminism didn't already exist, treating those girls like that would be a good way to start it.   Since it already does exist, I can't think of a better way for a guy to promote feminism than to act so cruel to some girls that for all we know may have been perfectly nice.

[Sir Percy]

Men, MRAs have to have a better set of skills and a range of weapons to deploy. Sheer bloody rudeness is certainly one of these but use it with discretion, when you have good cause. That example with the girls and the computer is of a common type and many quite skillful tactics can be employed. First though, as with any situation where people might need assistance, wait to be asked. You don't have to be a crashing bore, do you? Always trying to be superior? Showing how macho you are. You could then demonstrate a bit of sword-play. Irony, for example. " Really! I am just one mere man. What could I possibly tell you, two empowered women - even if your lap-top isnt" Or handing the 'gift' back. "Yes I could help but surely that would be demeaning and oppressive, wouldn't it?" Or reciprocity. That's a good one, especially if you have little evidence of them being nasty girls. "I'll have a look at it, with pleasure. A pint of fine foreign bevvie of distinction would help me concentrate."

If women give you arguement, a skilled MRA will be polite and answer with arguement, facts, logic. You just might impress with facts and gain a convert, even if just for the moment. Only if women are liars, use mendacity or are rude themselves do I tell them to get fucked. I will even parry with charm for fun. Who knows, they just might be worth the time and effort.

[zarby]

I would propose something more limited. Instead of boycotting western women, why not boycott marriage or commitment to western women.

Enjoy relationships if possible but avoid commitment. Once the nagging starts. Once the humiliations start. Once financial or other abuse starts. Just leave. Don't become entangled. Keep an escape path.