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[Rob Layton]

Well, as soon as the MRA movement turns "officially" anti-gay (whatever that means). I'm out.
I'm not condoning one form of discrimination against men in order to end another.
It's all the same damn thing in the end really.

I welcome anyone who will fight along side us, Male, Female, Black, White, or Yellow. The problem is that not many gays are prepared to fight with us. The majority seem hell bent on causing as much chaos as they possibly can. Any time we try to speak we are shouted down, and ridiculed as misogynists. I am prepared to fight against anyone who would try and rob us of our God given rights, and that includes gays.

[dr e]

You've been shouted down by gays?  My experience is that gay men are very open and interested in men's issues.

[ggreen67]

I'm not sure where discriminating against gays came into the picture. I don't recall mentioning it. I don't really give a damm about gays as long as their not pushing their ideologies upon everyone. That however, is a different matter entirely.

One thing is pretty clear though. Since they are aligned with feminists we'll have to take them on as well sooner or later.

Remember: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend!" is a two-way street.

[Rob Layton]

You've been shouted down by gays?  My experience is that gay men are very open and interested in men's issues.

I welcome anyone who will fight along side us, Male, Female, Black, White, or Yellow. The problem is that not many gays are prepared to fight with us. The majority seem hell bent on causing as much chaos as they possibly can. Any time we try to speak we are shouted down, and ridiculed as misogynists. I am prepared to fight against anyone who would try and rob us of our God given rights, and that includes gays.

If you look at what I said you will see I am not anti gay. And many of us have been shouted down by gays yes.

[dr e]

And many of us have been shouted down by gays yes.

Can you say more about this Rob?  I'd be curious to hear the details of the what was being said and what the shouting down was all about.  My experience with men's issues protests have involved both straights and gays.  I haven't seen much polarization except for male feminists who try to speak "for" gays.  Then you have a problem.

[The Gonzman]

The gay lobby is very aligned leftwards and are buddies with the fenmminist lobby in a mutual back scratching arrangement.  I've been on the recieving end of much pro-feminist rhetoric from gay men.

On the other side, I welcome too anyone who will lift the banner.  Send me such a person, be they saint or devil, and I will recieve them.

[Rob Layton]

And many of us have been shouted down by gays yes.

Can you say more about this Rob?  I'd be curious to hear the details of the what was being said and what the shouting down was all about.  My experience with men's issues protests have involved both straights and gays.  I haven't seen much polarization except for male feminists who try to speak "for" gays.  Then you have a problem.

As I said I am not anti gay, if its examples you are looking for take a look at the Yahoo, BBC forums or any number of Newspaper comment web pages where my fellow MRA's and myself have tried to put our case forward and been vigorously attacked by gays.
The 'Bring your Husband to heel' battle was a particularly nasty shouting match, and at times one found it hard to carry on. Anybody reading this who has ever tried to reason with these people will realise it is futile. That has been my experience. I have no wish to denigrate anybodies sexual orientation I am merely making the point that true equality means fighting those who harm the men's movement by shouting anti male hatred and when the going gets tough they hide behind the people who have made them lapdogs. They make the rules up as they go along. Are we expected to take it because we are afraid of someone calling us homophobic or do we fight back?

[dr e]

Looks like we are talking about different situations.  I was referring to actual "live" protests and you seem to be referring to altercations on the internet.  Different animals altogether.

[typhonblue]

In altercations on the internet I've found that lesbians are, quite often, very vocal oponents of men's rights. (And then there are the facinating exceptios.)

Gay men, particularly masculine gay men, are far more open minded about the issue.

Now, having said that, gay men who identify more with women... they seem to have a thing for feminism. But they are a sub-group, they don't speak for all men who have sex with men. Just like straight men who identify more with women seem to have a thing for feminism. But they are a sub-group of straight men.

Incidentally, it was a masculine gay man who first introduced the topic of men's rights to me.