Making fun of boys totally fair

Started by hansside, Apr 03, 2006, 04:35 AM

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strangedisk

I write this from a Honolulu computer...  This is my home and this kind of poison attack against the young boys of Honolulu pisses me off.

I never knew I was so clannish!

So, she (Shapiro, yes, I've read her crap before) admits that we live in a land where literally the most powerful person in the land (the governor) is a woman.  Mind you, I like Linda Lingle -- she's almost tolerable, by Republican standards.  

Yet she argues that it's okay to level an emotional attack against young children for an accident of their birth, because women are somehow oppressed?  So, if we believe that woman are oppressed here (you would need an impressive imagination to live in Honolulu and believe that), how would this help?

Maybe, Treena, you are having trouble explaining this to your nine year old boy because it's utter shit, and there is no logical explaination that would make sense out of this.

In Hawaii, a very strong value is placed on kindness, politeness, and generally "getting along".  These t-shirts are quite hard to find here (I've looked), because few would want to buy them.  It's hard to imagine walking around here with any t-shirt that puts anyone down (at least so directly), it's just not our culture.   They do sell from this brand (David and Golieth) but the sayings on them avoid direct attacks and are at most silly.

Can someone please explain to this boy that, it's not his fault?  He's not actually, at the age of nine, an evil opressor of all femaleness?  That this is, basically, his mom's problem?  Poor kid.  Hopefully he'll learn about Aloha and forget these awful "lessons" from his "nurturing" mother.

K9

MY Response to her highness:

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Isn't America wonderful? One can pretty well write what one wants. Tell me, when women get  those "high-level and highly-paid positions", will women then seek equality in Selective Service? Will they be begging for those high paid combat assignments? What will you tell Corwin about equality when they come to take him to fight overseas, and Sissy stays home to continue whatever pursuits may interest her? What feminist words of wisdom will you soothe him with after his divorce makes him no more than a big brother to your grand-children? Will you visit him in jail after the police bust in and drag him away for having a normal domestic spat? Forget that last remark. I'm sure you and Sissy will have him pretty well "whipped by that time. He won't dare lip off to a female. How about when he finds out his wife cheated and his 6 year old is not his; yet he's still required to pay child support? Yes, Corwin will grow up with female superiors, as we all did. My question to you is, where are his male superiors? Ye reap what ye sow. When it does fall apart and Corwin self destructs don't blame it on the patriarchy. Blame yourself.
Explaining misandry to a feminist is like explaining "wet" to a fish.

ramcharger1985

Her son is going to be one f***ed up kid when he grows up.  Makes me appreicate my family a little more.......

ramcharger1985

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MY Response to her highness:

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Isn't America wonderful? One can pretty well write what one wants. Tell me, when women get  those "high-level and highly-paid positions", will women then seek equality in Selective Service? Will they be begging for those high paid combat assignments? What will you tell Corwin about equality when they come to take him to fight overseas, and Sissy stays home to continue whatever pursuits may interest her? What feminist words of wisdom will you soothe him with after his divorce makes him no more than a big brother to your grand-children? Will you visit him in jail after the police bust in and drag him away for having a normal domestic spat? Forget that last remark. I'm sure you and Sissy will have him pretty well "whipped by that time. He won't dare lip off to a female. How about when he finds out his wife cheated and his 6 year old is not his; yet he's still required to pay child support? Yes, Corwin will grow up with female superiors, as we all did. My question to you is, where are his male superiors? Ye reap what ye sow. When it does fall apart and Corwin self destructs don't blame it on the patriarchy. Blame yourself.


I basically said what you said (only I was a little meaner). That kind of shit just shows that feminazis are nothing more than narcissitic people. You don't do that to a kid, there is something mentally wrong with her, she should be locked up for abuse. Shit like that makes my blood boil.

Sir Jessy of Anti

Well, let us hope for his sake that he turns out fine; but I will posit that this same abuse may cause his already formed independent mind to rebel, at which point he will become an MRA.  However, at least then he will have some self-respect and dignity.

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Isn't America wonderful? One can pretty well write what one wants. Tell me, when women get those "high-level and highly-paid positions", will women then seek equality in Selective Service? Will they be begging for those high paid combat assignments? What will you tell Corwin about equality when they come to take him to fight overseas, and Sissy stays home to continue whatever pursuits may interest her? What feminist words of wisdom will you soothe him with after his divorce makes him no more than a big brother to your grand-children? Will you visit him in jail after the police bust in and drag him away for having a normal domestic spat? Forget that last remark. I'm sure you and Sissy will have him pretty well "whipped by that time. He won't dare lip off to a female. How about when he finds out his wife cheated and his 6 year old is not his; yet he's still required to pay child support? Yes, Corwin will grow up with female superiors, as we all did. My question to you is, where are his male superiors? Ye reap what ye sow. When it does fall apart and Corwin self destructs don't blame it on the patriarchy. Blame yourself.


Bravo.
"The man who speaks to you of sacrifice, speaks of slaves and masters. And intends to be the master." -- Ayn Rand<br /><br />

typhonblue

Er... but don't you think he deserves it for saying (or at least, she *said* he did) "boys are smarter then girls mommy!"

Sir Jessy of Anti

See, that's the difference between this author and myself Typhon.  While she may take a nine year olds casual remarks to heart enough to sanction the psycological bullying and humilation of his sense of self (as his mother!), I on the other hand would simply ask him why he thought that and explain the statistical deviation of means.

Perhaps they would kick me out of Harvard.  Who knows.
"The man who speaks to you of sacrifice, speaks of slaves and masters. And intends to be the master." -- Ayn Rand<br /><br />

ThePatriarch

TyphonBlue said:

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Er... but don't you think he deserves it for saying (or at least, she *said* he did) "boys are smarter then girls mommy!"


I couldn't disagree more.

This is called the two wrongs make a right fallacy.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/two-wrongs-make-a-right.html

1. Little Boy make argument that:"Boys are smarter than girls." (Truth value of this is yet to be determined.
2. Therefore Mother is in her right to say that: "Boys are dumber than girls".

How does the little bo first statement imply that the second statement must be true?

Since her reasonning isn't valid, she shouldn't make it. This is very dishonest.

CaptDMO said:

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Sadly, I must confess, my 12 year old niece consistantly kicks my butt at Super Mario Kart.. To add insult to injury, she always does so with the princess persona.
*sigh*


Hey  CaptDMO, I get beaten by a little girl at video games (my cousin)  and she ask me how I feel to get beaten by her.  It is rather funny, I must say.

tudball

Where did the boy ever make the argument that boys are smarter than girls?  Come on!

Rob

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Er... but don't you think he deserves it for saying (or at least, she *said* he did) "boys are smarter then girls mommy!"


Um, didn't Mommy start that argument herself? Didn't she comment first about buying a t-shirt that says boys are stupid and THEN he asked the question? Serves her right. This entire situation and the entire conversation with her son was something that Mom manipulated from the beginning.

Sounds like Mommy is a stupid **** all the way through, especially since she thinks (or doesn't care) that writing such things about her son may never get back to him. It is after all a public column, isn't it? 9 year olds and their peers can read, can't they? That article will exist in cyberspace and in physical print for a long time, won't it?

This woman is no better than Trash Wilson constantly referring to her son publicly as the "spawn".

hansside

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Er... but don't you think he deserves it for saying (or at least, she *said* he did) "boys are smarter then girls mommy!"


What the boy in question deserves is not for us to decide. We do not know what has been going on.

What we do have, is the words of this women because she published her views.

The point is that we have a person who argues in the WOMEN's section of a newspaper that bullying of boys in general is fair.

So frankly, if someone openly argues in favor of misandry and tries to make a case for destructive behavior we are right to criticize her.

Further - there has always been "rivalry" between boys and girls - much of it in the process of getting to know each other. I remember that from school. Girls could be rough with boys - and vice versa.

The new thing is that now adults - especially women - uncritically take the side of girls every time there is a conflict. Not even investigating the particular events.

This idea that girls cannot be wrong and that it must be somehow the boys that are always bad is certainly something that comes from radical feminism and has now seeped into mainstream society.

Ms. Shapiro maybe should be forgiven, because quite frankly she does not seem to have an intellect that is able to grasp that her actions are the consequence of strong cultural currents.

Most people just accept mainstream sentiments as such.

I will not do so. Because I know these sentiments are not in accordance with reality.

Conflict between children should be analyzed on a case to case basis, if at all. Under no circumstances is it okay to automatically and blindly take one genders side. I though we were clear on this.

neonsamurai

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I never thought I'd say that there's a downside to not being oppressed.


I never thought I'd hear a feminist admit to not being oppressed.

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No, I don't want to be stripped of my job, my salary, my degree, my right to vote or any freedoms I enjoy.


What kind of dullard would?

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I do want to be able to explain to a 9-year-old boy in terms he will understand why I think it's OK for girls to wear shirts that revel in their superiority over boys.


One of my nieces (who is 4) recently decided that the bible is wrong. There are too many inconsistences in it for her and she has decided that science and religion don't mix, and is backing science (she wants to be a astronomer when she's older). This girl is very, very, very smart, but kids at that age tend to think in extremes, everything is black and white with yes or no answers. But isn't that what equality really is? It's black and white, not maybe's and probably's. I can't explain why people turn to god to my niece without using maybe's, because religion is a personal thing with lots of unanswerable questions. There aren't any unanswerable questions with equality.

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The T-shirts became an issue when my son Corwin begged me to buy his dad an "I beat your mom at Mario Kart" shirt as a testament to my poor video game skills.


So by her own admittance she has bad skills at playing Mario Kart. Hardly the end of the world is it? But if her son wants the T-shirt for his father to wear because his mother is bad at Mario Kart, then it's because he thinks (and she admits) it's true. Hardly very flattering though.

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Ha, ha, ha.


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I struck back and suggested we buy his sister a shirt that said "Boys are stupid."


The mother admits she is bad at Mario Kart and the sone realises this and wants his dad to wear a T-shirt saying this, so the mother fires back that her daughter should wear one saying "Boys are stupid." Does this mean that the mother believes this? In the eyes of her son, it might look that way.

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"That's so offensive," Corwin complained. "Why are they so mean? You have to write about it."

In general, I support a girl's right to offend any member of the opposite sex who happens to cross her path. In fact, I'd much rather see a little girl wearing a shirt that mocks boys than one that turns them on.


How do you 'turn on' a 9 year old boy? I agree that a 7 year old girl wearing a T-shirt with the playboy logo on it is as stupid as it is morally irresponsible, but this woman has just shown us the way she will bring up her son. It is better for a man to have to suffer, than for a woman to have to suffer.

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That's not a conversation I'm willing to have with a 9-year-old, though, so I used the equality argument instead.


No. You didn't. If you'd chosen equality, you should have suggested buying a T-shirt saying "I beat your dad at Halo" then that would have been like for like, rather than a garment making a sweeping statement about one gender.

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The problem is that even smart boys like Corwin sometimes have a hard time seeing the big picture.


No. Smart boys like Corwin have a hard time believing bullshit.

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Women have made big strides in the past few decades, but men still dominate when it comes to high-level and highly-paid positions, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.


Should Corwin be made to suffer insults because of this? Because Bill Gates is the highest paid guy in American, Corwin should be expected to be insulted and you'll do nothing about it? He wasn't even born when Windows 95 was released!

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Maybe tomorrow's women will be propelled further faster if they obliterate the inferiority complex that apparently persists in some girls, especially when it comes to subjects like math and science. This "boys are stupid" thinking could lead to the obvious conclusion: Girls are smart.


Or maybe boys like your son will start to feel worthless. Maybe the suicide rate for men will increase even further, because even their mothers are happy for people to call them stupid. The inferiority complex exists in some girls, not all of them. But I guess as long as some girls feel inferior, bashing men is fine right. What if some men feel inferior to women, does that make bashing them okay?

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Unfortunately, there was no way for me to bring this home to a boy who lives in a world full of bright and successful women, including his teacher, principal, doctors and even the governor.

His parents both have female supervisors and so does he. That would be me.


Yeah, I'd have trouble convincing my son that women are oppressed too if everyone who ordered our family around was a woman.

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In Corwin's eyes, I'm the primary authority figure. He could be sitting six feet away from his dad and he'll still get up to find me in another room to open a container, help him with his homework or answer a question, except, of course, if it deals with video games.


Yes, and you're a primary authority figure who tells him that it's okay for women to insult his gender because they're so hard done by. Well, obviously none of the women he knows are hard done by. And I have to tell my niece that god is everywhere.

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My second-in-command is his bossy little sister, whose powerful personality forces all of us to bend to her whims and wiles.


Good luck explaining to him how she is oppressed.

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So don't try telling Corwin that it's women who need to catch up. In his world, it's the men who are lagging behind.


Yup, but still he must be put in his place, even though in his environment he is effectively being oppressed. Sorry, I meant 'lagging behind'.

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It's not fair, he says, because everyone knows that boys are smarter than girls.


And don't forget that girls have cooties too!

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Uh-huh ... And he wonders why I support a girl's right to put boys in their place.


He's a 9 year old fuckin boy for god's sake! He wonders why you don't go to Disney Land every weekend.
Dr. Kathleen Dixon, the Director of Women's Studies: "We forbid any course that says we restrict free speech!"

bluegrass

This woman writes a story centering on her son.

Yet I sense no love in it.

She's a tyrant to her entire family and proudly shouts it from the rooftops.
"To such females, womanhood is more sacrosanct by a thousand times than the Virgin Mary to popes--and motherhood, that degree raised to astronomic power. They have eaten the legend about themselves and believe it; they live it; they require fealty of us all." -- Philip Wylie, Generation of Vipers

dr e

to Treena Shapiro

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Treena Shapiro:

Archie?  Archie Bunker?  Is that you?

Dr E
Contact dr e  Lifeboats for the ladies and children, icy waters for the men.  Women have rights and men have responsibilties.

the sad geek

Quote from: "typhonblue"
Er... but don't you think he deserves it for saying (or at least, she *said* he did) "boys are smarter then girls mommy!"


He's just being rebellious. He has figured out by now that his mother is living a lie. Childish logic then dictates the opposite must be true: parent professes undying love of communism -> capitalism *must* be heaven.

The apple does not fall far from the tree, though. Questioning the natural order of things (currently feminism), overreacting, errors in logic. Tsk, tsk.

Hopefully he'll turn out allright.
Alles van waarde is weerloos - Everything valuable is defenseless. (Lucebert)

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