BBC Woman impersonating man finds men OK and women difficult

Started by Julian, Apr 10, 2006, 12:44 AM

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Julian

I picked this up from the manumit exchange:-

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Below is information about a book written by, and an interview with, a lesbian who impersonated a man for eighteen months and here views on men, women and their interactions FWIW...

Listen via streaming:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/go/radio4/int/-/radio/aod/radio4_aod.shtml?radio4/womanshour

Should you be interested you can download the interview (only) as a 4.8MB, 10 minute MP3 from:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/womanshour/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/womanshour/listen/
Friday

Download
http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/rmhttp/downloadtrial/radio4/womanshourchoice/womanshourchoice_20060407-1200_40_st.mp3

Podcast
http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/rmhttp/downloadtrial/radio4/womanshourchoice/rss.xml

Quote: Vincent is not unaware of the narrative pickle she has gotten into; we're reading a book by a hardheaded female journalist who puts on men's clothes for a bit of "Black Like Me"-style first-person reporting, and she ends up in the loony bin, defined as "passively suicidal." Pretty much the last thing in the world Vincent wants to write is another chick memoir about My Emotional Trauma, so she tries to weave her breakdown into her analysis of masculinity.




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http://www.salon.com/books/review/2006/01/20/vincent/index_np.html

My life as a man
By Andrew O'Hehir

Dressed in drag, Norah Vincent visited strip clubs and dated women to find out what it means to be a man. She ended up in the loony bin.

"Self-Made Man: One Woman's Journey Into Manhood and Back Again"
By Norah Vincent, Viking, 290 pages, Nonfiction





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http://www.powells.com/biblio?isbn=0670034665

Self-Made Man: One Woman's Journey Into Manhood and Back Again by Norah Vincent

Product Details

ISBN: 0670034665
Author: Vincent, Norah
Publisher: Viking Books
Subject: Personal Memoirs
Subject: Gender Studies
Subject: Women
Subject: Sex role
Subject: Male impersonators.
Publication Date: February 2006
Binding: Hardcover
Language: English
Pages: 304

Synopses & Reviews

Publisher Comments: A journalist's provocative, spellbinding account of her eighteen months spent undercover will transform the way we think about what it means to be a man.

Following in the tradition of John Howard Griffin (Black Like Me) and Barbara Ehrenreich (Nickel and Dimed), Norah Vincent absorbed a cultural experience and reported back on what she observed incognito. For more than a year and a half she ventured into the world as Ned, with an ever-present five o'clock shadow, a crew cut, wire-rim glasses, and her own size 11 1/2 shoes - a perfect disguise that enabled her to observe the world of men as an insider. The result is a sympathetic, shrewd, and thrilling tour de force of immersion journalism that's destined to challenge preconceptions and attract enormous attention.

strangedisk

Thoughts as I listen to it...  

interview mp3...

First, believable facial hair.  Various makeup talk about creating a realistic "5 o'clock shadow".

First, she joins gym, gained shoulder strength, voice coach, baggy clothes.

Joined male bowling league

75 guys, no one suspected.

Gruff, working class guys...

Very frightened (they'll beat me to a pulp!)  

But they were very friendly.

What did you learn?

Expected nasty talk about women -- but instead men had reverence for their wives.  

Male sexuality -- what you might expect (ubiquitious sexual drive in men)

"more sympathy if we felt it"

Visited strip clubs...

Found that bluster about women, hypersexualtion is a cover.

"Not allowed as a man to express feelings of need or rejection."

Started dating women...

Dating women as a man is much harder than dating women as a woman.

"curtain between us", "a lot of women ... hostile ... " .. but with bowling buddies .. "presumed good guy until proved otherwise (sp?)"

"presumption that I was a cad until proven otherwise ... almost like a prejudious .."

"They found me inadequte...  physically, emotionaly ... they wanted me to hold them up, take caer of them, provide for them..."  "warrior-minstrel complex" (vs. the whore-madonna")  "they want you to be both new-age sensitive guy and also world-spanning collossus"

"went on dates with a man as well"  "You're my ideal guy!"

"male sexuality is categorial -- you are expected to go from 0 to 60 in 3 seconds"...

took an emotional toll on her which helped to "assuage her guilt" for deception.

"if you are not a sociopath, you find it very hard to masquarade as another person"

sorry about typoes, this was done while interview was running..

typhonblue

It was a good book.

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