U.S. too slow on pedophiles

Started by jaketk, Apr 04, 2006, 07:29 PM

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lkanneg

Quote from: "Virtue"
Wait a minute......underage people are getting convicted (and forced to register as sex offenders~!) for posting sexually oriented pictures of themselves on myspace......why does this kid get off for doing the same (but for profit !)


Because he was a little boy and that's what should happen in situations like these.  

:(  I remember being 13.  I had a friend who was also 13 who was "dating" a 38 year old man.  Her motives for doing so and her mental health state at the time were not the same as the motives and mental health state of an adult doing the same thing.  What she needed was help, not punishment, and so do any other 13 year olds "playing" with grownups.
quot;Remember no one can make you feel inferior without your consent."
--Eleanor Roosevelt

"Something which we think is impossible now is not impossible in another decade."
-- Constance Baker Motley

"Don't compromise yourself. You are all you've got."
--Janis Joplin

Laboratory Mike

jaketk,

Good point. We should take into consideration that, at least at first, the kid was probably running his webcam business on the sheer fact that he had few friends otherwise, and needed someone to talk to. And I do agree that we lost the point that people were indluging in kiddie porn here, which is a serious crime.

Still, I wonder... what caused the change in heart? Do you think the kid is trying to move on/break away, or perhaps he has taken his attention-getting to a new level?

devia

Mike

The cynic in me says probaly the later.. but regardless some bad people could get caught because of his attention seeking.

I saw him on some talk show or another and thought the same thing, but again in the end in this case I think the end justifies the means, and at 13 he sure wasn't in a position to make an informed adult desision regarding what he was doing. At 19.. I have to wonder as you do if he's just not getting the attention he's used to.

And of course the ovious question.. where the hell were his parents in all of this? I ran a fetish ezine when my kids were 12ish and I struggled/ had to work very hard to keep what mommy did for a living from them, no way in heck would it be possible the other way around.

neoteny

Quote from: "Laboratory Mike"
Quote from: "Virtue"
Wait a minute......underage people are getting convicted (and forced to register as sex offenders~!) for posting sexually oriented pictures of themselves on myspace......why does this kid get off for doing the same (but for profit !)


I'd say the difference is that the boy casted himself as a victim, and gave a benefit to a number of influential groups by turning in his customers.

Think for a moment... why did the AP write this article? And why was the boy casted as a victim? Ultimately... que bono? Who benefits?

The abuse industry very clearly benefits because they are given a reason to exist -- there are more pedophiles out there to catch -- along with a reason for more funding -- the police, advocacy groups, etc. are moving slowly because there aren't enough resources, terefore more must be given.

The Associsted Press also benefits because they have a sensational story to write.

The police probably didn't benefit too heavily in this case, since there was not a large and easy bust, but they can still claim a reason for funding, which I alluded to above. Also, when he turned himself in I've no doubt that the police were indeed expecting a large and easy bust.

The boy got off easy because all of the groups above, who are very influential, benefitted from his story in one way or the other. That is why he will not face any collateral punishment for selling himself on the internet. In contrast, most of the girls putting pornographic pics of themselves on MySpace are the notorious "MySpace hookers" who were regularly and repeatedly spamming users with no intention of playing the victim card later. They were quite a nusaince, (I use MS and my inbox was often full of unsolicited emails from web cam hookers), and I've no doubt that they were prosecuted because considerable forces built up on MySpace to have them prosecuted.


Laboratory Mike analyzed it perfectly.

The dude is an disgusting punk because he whored himself thrice; once for the paedos, once for the media and once for grandstanding politicians. I've utter contempt for him.
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lkanneg

Quote from: "devia"
And of course the ovious question.. where the hell were his parents in all of this?


I thought of that too...my older son spends a lot of time on the computer (he plays an online fantasy roleplaying game) but I not only know what he's up to pretty much at all times, I have his login access to the computer locked up tight.
quot;Remember no one can make you feel inferior without your consent."
--Eleanor Roosevelt

"Something which we think is impossible now is not impossible in another decade."
-- Constance Baker Motley

"Don't compromise yourself. You are all you've got."
--Janis Joplin

dr e

Lisa said:
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I have his login access to the computer locked up tight.


I'm curious what you mean by this?
Contact dr e  Lifeboats for the ladies and children, icy waters for the men.  Women have rights and men have responsibilties.

lkanneg

Quote from: "Dr Evil"
Lisa said:
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I have his login access to the computer locked up tight.


I'm curious what you mean by this?


I have our computer set up so I'm the administrator and he and his brother are users, so I can configure their Internet access pretty thoroughly and they can't change it because my access is password protected.
quot;Remember no one can make you feel inferior without your consent."
--Eleanor Roosevelt

"Something which we think is impossible now is not impossible in another decade."
-- Constance Baker Motley

"Don't compromise yourself. You are all you've got."
--Janis Joplin

dr e

How old are the boys and how do you configure it?  What do you ban them from seeing?  Not SYG I hope.   :wink:
Contact dr e  Lifeboats for the ladies and children, icy waters for the men.  Women have rights and men have responsibilties.

lkanneg

Quote from: "Dr Evil"
How old are the boys and how do you configure it?  What do you ban them from seeing?  Not SYG I hope.   :wink:


LOL, of course not!  Well, I hope not, anyway...SYG gets through my firewall at work, so I'm thinking my security at home wouldn't classify it as "pornography" for the kids...my boys are 14 and 9.  I have it configured by category; I can't remember all the categories I have banned, but "pornography" is definitely one of them...it does allow sex education material to come through, though.  They also can't download or upload e-mail attachments--they can't actually download or upload ANYTHING without my permission (actually I set it up that way after my older guy downloaded some freeware and it took me TWO DAYS to clean all the crap off my hard drive that was imbedded in the code).
quot;Remember no one can make you feel inferior without your consent."
--Eleanor Roosevelt

"Something which we think is impossible now is not impossible in another decade."
-- Constance Baker Motley

"Don't compromise yourself. You are all you've got."
--Janis Joplin

jaketk

Quote from: "Laboratory Mike"
jaketk,

Good point. We should take into consideration that, at least at first, the kid was probably running his webcam business on the sheer fact that he had few friends otherwise, and needed someone to talk to. And I do agree that we lost the point that people were indluging in kiddie porn here, which is a serious crime.

Still, I wonder... what caused the change in heart? Do you think the kid is trying to move on/break away, or perhaps he has taken his attention-getting to a new level?


Last night on CNBC, the reporter who found Justin stated that Justin believed that he would be arrested we they agreed to meet in LA. It was the reporter who convinced him to stop. Given his situation then and the reckless manner in engaged in, I seriously doubt he ever considered turning anyone in.

Had the "Catch a Predator" shows not aired, I doubt the media would have covered this the way they have. The story broke several months ago and if Justin wanted to milk it for all it's worth, he could have had a book written and released by this time. More than that, every time I've seen him on TV, his eyes have the same absent stare my brothers' and cousins' have. When he talks, it's clear that he's faking being normal. That may be something I pick up having been through something similar to him. But I don't think he really cares one way or another what happens. At best, he's probably being prodded by the reporter and simply does it because this guy is the only person who ever really cared about him.

jaketk

Quote from: "neoteny"
The dude is an disgusting punk because he whored himself thrice; once for the paedos, once for the media and once for grandstanding politicians. I've utter contempt for him.


Then I am a disgusting punk too because I was "whored" for the pedos. And that's fine, I accept full responsibility for what happened anyway. But I don't appreciate you implying my 14 year old cousin is a disgusting punk because he was used for sex from 3 to 7. You are however entitled to your contempt, misdirected and inappropriate as it may be.

devia

Jake.

However much you/we wish the majority of the population could see life throught the eyes of a kid whose commodity is sex there is no way they can see it.

Trut is this kid/now adult had been conditioned to seek approval.

jaketk

True. But it doesn't hurt to try.  :wink:

neoteny

Quote from: "jaketk"
Quote from: "neoteny"
The dude is an disgusting punk because he whored himself thrice; once for the paedos, once for the media and once for grandstanding politicians. I've utter contempt for him.


Then I am a disgusting punk too because I was "whored" for the pedos. And that's fine, I accept full responsibility for what happened anyway. But I don't appreciate you implying my 14 year old cousin is a disgusting punk because he was used for sex from 3 to 7. You are however entitled to your contempt, misdirected and inappropriate as it may be.


The (important) difference is in the bolded words.
The spreading of information about the [quantum] system through the [classical] environment is ultimately responsible for the emergence of "objective reality." 

Wojciech Hubert Zurek: Decoherence, einselection, and the quantum origins of the classical

jaketk

Quote from: "neoteny"
Quote from: "jaketk"
Quote from: "neoteny"
The dude is an disgusting punk because he whored himself thrice; once for the paedos, once for the media and once for grandstanding politicians. I've utter contempt for him.


Then I am a disgusting punk too because I was "whored" for the pedos. And that's fine, I accept full responsibility for what happened anyway. But I don't appreciate you implying my 14 year old cousin is a disgusting punk because he was used for sex from 3 to 7. You are however entitled to your contempt, misdirected and inappropriate as it may be.


The (important) difference is in the bolded words.


But that isn't exactly what happened. He tried to make friends his own age and was approached by adults instead who took the time to gain his trust and then asked him to do rather innane acts first until it progressed. That is slightly different than setting out with the intent to seduce adult men for money and computer parts. This happens everyday with children except it is in person. That is the wonder of such acts and the people who do this know it makes the child look guilty.

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