Traitors

[doglover6]

Feminist men are stupid. They have as much character as an African-
American who endorses the K.K.K. unfortunately, they are everywhere,
those self-hating morons who don't admit that only men, not women,
invented cities, cars, planes, to improve lives of people. I'd like to
take what is in the Klan handbook, and transfer the statements into a
feminist book about men, and see if anyone notices..I'm surprised they
don't burn a cross in a man's lawn. Also, chivalry is stupid crap, like
what happened on the titanic. What with all the male-bashing
of society,lets look after outselves first.

[zarby]

It sounds very fair minded and just to be for equal rights for women. No one can really object to that. Somewhere, that concept transforms itself into superior rights for women and virtual enslavement for men.  This transition somehow goes unnoticed. Next thing you know, you have jails full of men there for unpaid child support (often on children they have never seen or rarely allowed to see). You have prisons full of men who were merely accused (e.g. rape, child molesting, etc.)

Who can be against men supporting their children? Who can be against imprisoning men for rape and child molesting? The problem is in the details. Justice is eliminated in the details. My point is that it is the classic frog in hot water situation. The water is slowing warmed the frog doesn't notice until ultimately he is boiled to death. Many of these men will never notice they are in danger until it happens to them. Then it will be too late.

[stands2p]

I think the large number of feminist men is pretty easy to explain.  Telling women what they want to hear is the foundation of many men's strategy for acquiring female companionship.  

The dirty trick is that, as egalitarian as it sounds, feminism has little to do with equality.  The real purpose of feminism is to overturn and destroy existing social constructs such as the family and the role of fathers even though they have nothing better to put in their place.

In my experience, women want men to act like men and have contempt for men that don't.  Especially feminists.

[Psyle]

It's true.. we seen how much women cried for a sensitive man. Now that many men are sensitive and metrosexual women want NOTHING to do with them...

And it's sad but true.. many men will never understand the situation because they fail to try to understand a situation entirely. Just because things are ok now doesn't mean they ALWAYS will be.

Think about it for a minute. Who hasn't heard from a woman that "All men are dogs... oh you know I don't mean you"

If this isn't enough to open your eyes then you're just a victim waiting to be abused. We should know by now. With women.. they rarely want to SPEAK up and express what they mean precisely and literally. I mean this is why they don't get paid as much or get the promotion. They work hard and expect someone to just give it to them. Sometimes that's not enough.

Anyway it's women's behavior that should be looked at. And we've all seen a woman who appears to be pretty decent end up repeatedly with horrible men. Now if she dumped them right away then that's fine. But if she sticks around then there's something REALLY wrong with her.

[Gerard Velthuis]

I think the large number of feminist men is pretty easy to explain. Telling women what they want to hear is the foundation of many men's strategy for acquiring female companionship.

Exactly. Men compromise for "pussy" (to put it very bluntly).
I strongly believe men are more desperate to get women's attention (also companionship and sex, mostly sex probably, etc.), than vice versa.
Men rather go with the flow, than row against it. Saying things that don't sound feministic, makes you look like a sexist and will put women off.
So instead, just say what they want to hear and you will get what you want.
This is a serious problem for men in general, or the men's movement.
I believe this is a strong weakness of men

[ramcharger1985]

It makes me want to puke that so many men are willing to give up their rights and not think outside the box so they can have 10 minutes of euphoria. If men just put their heads together and looked at the big picture, we could beat this feminism shit, That, and boys today are taught that they are inferior to girls, that they are perverts, they have to act sensitive, etc. Then they either are brainwashed with the crap, and they hate themselves as men so much that they fully support it, or they hate it with such a passion that they pull a Marc Lepine and embrass the Men's Rights Movement some more. It's a lose-lose situation until people start waking up.

[Psyle]

It's true... Men give up anything to keep a woman around. But with the way things usually are what other choice is there? Rare situation indeed is it where a woman initiates and tries to get the man's attention. Men mostly appear to want to have every woman they see. If men would have some TASTE, and pick women who are better for them this may not be the case as much. No doubt that if you are being more selective you aren't initiating a relationship with SOO many women. The less they are spoiled the better.

Forget all this nonsense about women being always right and it's not a good idea to fight with them. First you had BETTER be right. If that's the case call her on her nonsense. If she acts like a child treat her like one. Leave her presense or tell her she can sleep on the couch until she acts like she's got some sense. Compromise is all well and good when you're both honestly trying to solve an issue. But if a woman is just barking up demands and making up stuff call her on it. Stand your ground no matter WHAT she does.

If women do indeed want to be spoiled and treated like princesses, then we need to be treated like kings. If not? then they're on their own. I had NO male role model growing up and this stuff just appeared natural to me. It's absurd the way womenn act and then demand things of us men, while screaming out  "I owe you nothing."

Act like a child, get treated like a child. Remember this guys !

[zarby]

Psyle:

I agree with your attitude. Men must be willing to stand up to women.
This is both to avoid abuse and to keep their respect.

There is a catch 22 at work. Women want to push men around but
they don't respect men that they can push around.

The ultimate control is lack of dependency. Look, lady, if you will
not treat me with respect, then I am out of here.

The problem is once there are children the ability to hit the highway
pretty much goes out the window (you might get the children
with aggressive court action but it will take that -- unless she agrees)

The man is literally trapped. The same is true to a lesser extent
with property issues. The man knows he will take a loss.

How do you propose to stand up for yourself when you are
trapped by the probability of loss of your children or property?

It is a very difficult situation.

[Psyle]

I propose you make a choice. What's more important?

Your OWN LIFE, with respect and living REASONABLY?

Or the ILLUSION that your children will benefit?


I honestly don't think if your wife acts like this that the children will be better off if u sit back and take it. You either fight hard and fight NOW, or accept slow torturing death.

I'ld rather go to war that live for another few years under extreme torture until my body finally gave out.

It's a sad state of affairs but perhaps the ONLY approach for men is to build a case against their wives from day 1 so when this becomes legal they have a wealth of information.


Sometimes you just have to cut off your own arm if it means life/freedom...

[zarby]

OK. But, if you are going to be at war, why not just not marry to start with.I don't see the point of marryiing someone if it will be a war.

[zarby]

By the way, I respect your position.

I think if I had followed your opinions maybe I would have done better.

My reaction to verbal and other aggression was to withdraw - retreat to my office. If I had stood firm, maybe a different result.

I am just trying to think this through. If you are building a case against your spouse from day one, I say that defeats the whole purpose of marriage

[Psyle]

Well, I agree about not marrying. I plan to NEVER have kids or marry. I'll tell her plainly we can plan a life together but I'm not changing my mind about marriage until laws change.

And with regard to aggression and response? Respond in a way that shall benefit you in the long run. If the person is just fussy about anything and everything, just stay away from them... if they've got some sort of relationship with you set them straight and/or report them to your boss if it's a work situation.

[doglover6]

I agree. It is quite possible and preferable to be in a relationship without marriage. Marriage and romance are two different things, although some in the media would still link them together. Marriage itself is just a financial contract like any other, which we would have to currently be wary about signing. Most of us wouldn't sign up for a job, if the company could get half our possessions, and money, for example. Otherwise, signing a prenup agreement would be the only way to go.

[doglover6]

I agree. It is quite possible and preferable to be in a relationship without marriage. Marriage and romance are two different things, although some in the media would still link them together. Marriage itself is just a financial contract like any other, which we would have to currently be wary about signing. Most of us wouldn't sign up for a job, if the company could get half our possessions, and money, for example. Otherwise, signing a prenup agreement would be the only way to go.

[Psyle]

And knowing the laws give women far too much power it's safe to assume they could void a prenup in the blink of an eye.

But you know I seriously doubt many women are capable of understanding and then agreeing with this. If a woman finds a great guy and he says NO, I won't marry you but I will agree to be your partner and build a life together for the 2 of us... I'm pretty sure she'll get upset and want out. Either marriage or nothing. lol