Propose Common Sense Rule Regarding Rape

[zarby]

The trial collapses because it's he said/she said.

This is not necessarily true. Convictions do occur in "he said/she said" scenarios. This is particularly true with child cases.

The politically correct position is that women and children don't lie about these things. Well, they clearly do.

[dr e]

Indeed Zarby, people do get convicted solely on "he said, she said." Even murder.  It is also true that there are secondary gains from being a rape victim.  Anyone who was around when the NOW board was active can remember the astonishing competition among its inhabitants to vie for the title of "most victimized."  Of course a history of rape (or domestic violence which was a little farther down on the list) gave them big points and more than one rape added the point value substantially.  They had an unspoken competition about who was the biggest victim and the winner got special privileges.  Working out your place in this hierarchy was essential to being a prominent poster on that board.  Those who placed high in the victim olympics would be forgiven for transgressions due to their history of victimhood.  If that was a microcosm for feminist women then we are in trouble.

Let's see, the biggest were rape, dv, victim of assault, fired from a job for being a woman, having been married to a TERRIBLE man.  "Oh, you all just don't understand the hell he put me through."  etc etc.  It was a sight to see.

[SIAM]

Anyone who was around when the NOW board was active can remember the astonishing competition among its inhabitants to vie for the title of "most victimized." Of course a history of rape (or domestic violence which was a little farther down on the list) gave them big points and more than one rape added the point value substantially. They had an unspoken competition about who was the biggest victim and the winner got special privileges. Working out your place in this hierarchy was essential to being a prominent poster on that board. Those who placed high in the victim olympics would be forgiven for transgressions due to their history of victimhood. If that was a microcosm for feminist women then we are in trouble.

:loll:

They can see the value in being a victim:-

- a lack of responsibility

- government help & numerous charities supporting you

- to "have the floor" when it comes to sympathy and attention

- an excuse for all the failings in their life; men 'have it easy' - that's why they earn more, invent more, create more, and are more successful in business

- you get a shiny new perspective on your personal history - all your transgressions can be excused - you aren't to blame for anything

- you feel 'special' - better than feeling normal and having to face up to normal responsibilities

They're all competing for more of the above.  They have let go of the idea of personal responsibility and any satisfaction and freedom that brings.  They are like children who never grew up.

[VK]

But it's easy to maintain a lie - very easy.  Most rape cases collapse because it simply boils down to he said/she said.   The jury will never know the real truth.  

But most rape trials do not convict. What was the figure the BBC kept shouting about last year? <5% of reported rapes lead to a conviction. If you looked at the breakdown of the figures, nearly all the cases that led to a conviction were stranger rape, or statorary rape.

While she won't get found out, juries are very unwilling to convict in he said she said trials.

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs05/hors293.pdf (look at appendix 5 - it shows at what point the enquries get dropped. Most of the cases either the accuser drops the case, or it is found to a false allegation, or there is insufficient evidence to pursue the crime)

http://inspectorates.homeoffice.gov.uk/hmic/inspect_reports1/thematic-inspections/cpsi-hmic-rape-thematic.pdf?view=Binary (p34 onwards - how police investigate rape accusations, with interesting stats on how often there is corrobarting evidence - P 96/97 have stats on the likihood of a case being convicted - about 60% of cases that go to court end in a conviction - but about 2/3rd of those are guilty pleas, and most cases are closed without charging anyone.
This one also has stats on male rape in Britain, with discussion on low reporting rate, and how this porblem can be tackled Which is nice to see.

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs/hors196.pdf - p17, and section 7 has a nice graphical breakdowns of how cases go through the system.  (Note: all the cases considered in this study the accuser had visable injuries) Interestingly the cases most likely to end in conviction with those under 16 (because there is no issue of consent) and those involving prostitutes (the juries tended to find the evidence of a prostitute more convincing. go figure)

The only tiny little lie she is telling is the fact that she actively participated in the sex last night.  This lie cannot be found out.  John Smith says she enjoyed it.  She says she didn't.  He said/she said.  Meanwhile it goes to trial, and all the neighbours and colleagues say "oh, what a shame - nevery thought e'd be a rapist".  The trial collapses because it's he said/she said.  His life is ruined.  Her life is not ruined.  If the jury find him guilty, he's in another whole universe of misery and injustice.  

These lies really are found out. Most rape accusations do not lead to an arrest, let alone a conviction.

[JoeFin]

I think D.A. Nifong answered this question. He said 75% of rape cases don't have DNA. 75% of rape cases are probably just that, "he said, she said"

So when you extrapolate the numbers,

In the FBI's Behavioral Science Unit's study of False Allegations conducted in 1983 of 556 rape investigations, a total of 220 (40%) of these reported rapes turned out to be false. Over one fourth of these 556 turned out to be hoaxes
http://www.anandaanswers.com/pages/naaStats.html

In 1995, 354,670 women were the victims of a rape or sexual assault.
http://www.wseg.org/rape.htm

141868 were of these reported rapes would be false. You might think there is quite a bit of hysteria involved in the reporting of rape. But then you need to keep in mind the number of men serving time in prison for rape. Of the men serving time in prison, pre-DNA testing era, 35% were innocent. Of that 35%, 25% of those were raped in prison.

Prison rape, being actually the MOST under reported form of rape.

According to Stephen Donaldson, president of Stop Prison Rape, more than 290,000 male prisoners are assaulted each year. Prison rape, says Donaldson in a New York Times opinion piece, "is an entrenched tradition." Donaldson, who was himself a victim of prison rape twenty years ago when he was incarcerated for antiwar activities, has calculated that there may be as many as 45,000 rapes every day in our prison population of 1.2 million men. The number of rapes is vastly higher than the number of victims because the same men are often attacked repeatedly. Many of the rapes are "gang bangs" repeated day after day. To report such a rape is a terribly dangerous thing to do,
http://www.leaderu.com/real/ri9502/sommers.html

You would think there would be a huge outcry from all of the women's groups about prison rape. At least a little sympathy for those who have been victims of the same violent sexual assault they cry out against so much. But sadly there is not.

For the feminist perhaps it is liken a Freudian slip of admission of guilt. They know the truth of the amount of false claims of rape and suspect the same in the case of male prison rape. All to often, the feminist will claim, "You have know way of knowing what it is like"

To them I say ponder this for a moment. In San Quentin prior to the reinstatement of capitol punishment, there were 265 executions. During the 20 or so years of the moratorium on capitol punishment there were over 3000 murders. When these men say in fear for their life they have reason to do so.

Of the number of men raped in prison, I wonder just how many are serving time for a false accusation of rape