Western males obsolete, wealthy surplus Asians wanted

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stands2p

Rosa Brooks writes regular articles on foreign policy and international relations and how Bush is a big meanie.  Today's entry is a hoot.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-brooks19may19,0,1191549.column?coll=la-news-comment-opinions

It's a shame Foreign Affairs requires a fairly spendy membership to read their archives because Fukuyama's original article is the shit.  He argues eloquently that one POSSIBLE outcome in international relations is that touchy-feely places like Sweden where farm animals and household pets can be sued for sexual harassment are going to be in no position to resist tanks and artillery from places where they still eat meat and belch in public.

She takes a well reasoned piece out of context (how can I get a job reviewing 8 year old journal articles) and buys into the fantasy that women will eventually make war and conflict obsolete.  She assumes Western men will become economically marginalized and no longer suitable for premeditated divorce (oops, I mean marriage) and excretes this gem:

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Maybe we'll find some creative solutions: a boom in global match-making, perhaps, pairing high-achieving "surplus" Asian men with Western women.


Riiiight, Asian men will be lining up, especially the high-achieving "surplus" ones, to open joint checking accounts with Maureen Dowd and her deeply conflicted sisters.  And never you mind that feminists are currently trying to legally complicate international marriages because they can't handle the idea of Western men finding happiness with...well, women.  Those laws can be re-written just as soon as the competition has been dealt with.

And wait just a minute, isn't she concerned that Western women will be marrying men from a culture that systematically exterminated women?  Maybe she reasons that since non-Western women aren't feminists, it was okay to exterminate them.  

She paints a rosy future doesn't she?
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original article (intro only, fee required for entire article)
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/19980901faessay1415/francis-fukuyama/women-and-the-evolution-of-world-politics.html
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hansside

ah - the sexual fantasies of feminists

Thomas

This type of feminist tripe barely earns a yawn anymore. But the authoress did try, so she deserves something in return. I think I'll send her a nice flower.

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In the developed world, there's more to cheer about. Because increased opportunity for women seems to translate into more prosperous and stable societies, what's not to like -- unless you're Fukuyama -- about a future in which the power elite may look more female than male?

Given the declining number of men seeking higher education, perhaps it will soon be women who dominate public life, while men -- less educated and less productive -- will be relegated to the sidelines.


Ahh yes.  Let's cheer if men are pushed to the sidelines.  Via whatever cause.  It doesn't matter.  If women are succeeding, it's champagne corks.  If they are failing, it's time to get your victimhood on.

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But a shortage of men -- even just a relative shortage of men with the skills that lead to high earning power -- can be as destabilizing as a surplus of men.


What happened to the wage gap? I thought the Patriarchy had that covered! I must have missed yet another memo.  Have we lost our earning advantage suddenly?

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Will all those undereducated first-world men of the future go contentedly home to change diapers while their high-powered wives run the world?


I'm thinking SE Asia, Eastern Europe.

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Or will they engage in still unimaginable forms of global mischief?


Well, there's fun to be had.  There's also plenty of good women to meet and marry too.  I'm talking about non-feminist women in non-feminists countries. Plenty of women who are actively looking for the western men you are throwing onto the scrap heap.  There is a global match-making phenomena happening right now Rosie - you just got the genders/nationalities in reverse - it's western men and Asian women.  

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Maybe we'll find some creative solutions: a boom in global match-making, perhaps, pairing high-achieving "surplus" Asian men with Western women.


Now that is funny.  Here's what's actually happening: rich Asian guys marry beautiful young Asian women. He isn't lacking - there isn't a shortage for such a guy.  In any case, I'm honestly trying to remember the last time I saw a Thai guy with a western girl.  Same with my experience of Japan - just not seeing it - the very odd occasion, but a real rarity.  That leaves the poor Asian guys, of whom there are plenty.  So some hot-shot female lawyer from Chicago is going to fly to Ubon Ratchathani in the poor eastern part of Thailand to look for a young Thai husband who makes $5 a day? :loll:  H'yuh, right.  Ain't happening - ain't gonna happen.  The funny thing is : if it did happen, what's this female lawyer going to do? Live in the US with her Thai hubby? Oh man, he's gonna love the way the divorce courts work - he's on a meal ticket whatever happens (along with his family back in Ubon).  OR, she butches it out in Thailand? No way no day.  How can she? She wouldn't hack the 'backward' way of life. She's a feminist and she knows her rights! I'd give such a marriage about 9 months at the very very most.

This Rosie is dreaming feminist dreams. Meanwhile reality is taking place all around the world.

Mr. Bad

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In the developed world, there's more to cheer about. Because increased opportunity for women seems to translate into more prosperous and stable societies, what's not to like -- unless you're Fukuyama -- about a future in which the power elite may look more female than male?  Will all those undereducated first-world men of the future go contentedly home to change diapers while their high-powered wives run the world?


Not likely because the high-powered western women won't settle for a husband who doesn't pull-in at least as much $$ as she does, thus, there won't be a man around to change the diapers.  After all, how many women - western or not - do you know that 'marry down?'

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Or will they engage in still unimaginable forms of global mischief?


I think the mischief will be much more local.  For example, unemployed, underserved, unappreciated and marginalized men with nothing to do will roam the streets looking for somebody to beat and rob (because women have all the jobs, etc.).  You know, gangs.  But not like the Sharks and the Jets from West Side Story - we're talking Crips, Bloods, etc.  There won't be enough cops to keep tabs on them, nor enough jails to house them.  And I certainly won't be intervening on behalf of women to stop them.  In fact, I think I might rather enjoy sitting back and watching, the way western women have watching while feminists have been destroying us.  

I doubt that feminists have even thought about the old saying "be careful what you wish for, you just might get it."  Clearly they don't "get it."

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Maybe we'll find some creative solutions: a boom in global match-making, perhaps, pairing high-achieving "surplus" Asian men with Western women.


Like IMHO says, that's funny.  Western women are already the most despised people on the planet (while western men are still by and large greatly admired), yet they think that Asian and other men will come knoking on their doors?  LOL!  Asian men are smart, and like us they know that when it comes to relationships, marriage, etc., western women are more often than not  'damaged goods.'
"Men in teams... got the human species from caves to palaces. When we watch men's teams at work, we pay homage to 10,000 years of male achievements; a record of vision, ingenuity and Herculean labor that feminism has been too mean-spirited to acknowledge."  Camille Paglia

FP

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Maybe we'll find some creative solutions: a boom in global match-making, perhaps, pairing high-achieving "surplus" Asian men with Western women.


I don't necessarily think she's wrong here, just not thinking things all the way through. If only because China is reportedly having a shortage of women to men. At which point, those surplus men might be looking for wives and I doubt they'll be too keen on adopting the western princess' ways over their own (and we all know how pliable many western princesses are when it comes to money anyway..) As well historically, what happens when you have a large surplus of men who likely won't be able to find a wife and start a family, a lack of resources etc.? Wars happen.

fratstar

In India & China a lot of poor people have women children aborted due to economics or 1 child policies.  So there will be/is a problem with the gender raitios in certain poor parts of those countries.  However,  I just dont see the 160 lbs 5'8" female laywer shacking up with a 5'8" 150lbs Asian guy that doesnt even earn minimum wage.

Setaseba

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Wars happen.


thank you floorpie

and there you have the entire history of humankind and the driving force behind it

dumb male mammals killing themselves and each other competing for the attention of the females

whacking each other over the head so that the little woman and her kids will have a roof over theirs

just like the noble elk who spends 6 months getting ready to compete to reproduce and then dies of starvation in winter 'cause he burned off all his built up resources trying to bonk some doe who wouldn't have had anything to do with him any other time of the year and doesn't have any use for him now that she's got what she wanted

biology sucks

typhonblue

Not to throw a fly in the ointment but... I've seen quite a few asian man/white woman pairings up here in the great white north.

And as for a western woman flying over to thailand to get a husband who makes 5$ a day... what's the difference between that and a western man flying over to thailand to get a wife who makes 5$ a day?

How is the one empowering for a man but *disempowering* for a woman?

Setaseba

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How is the one empowering for a man but *disempowering* for a woman?


because i would wager that most men don't give a damn how much his intended earns as long as she doesn't rub his nose in it

can you say the same about women regarding the income of a suitable mate?

i find women to be far more pragmatic when it comes to the suitable candidate checklist

gwallan

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And as for a western woman flying over to thailand to get a husband who makes 5$ a day... what's the difference between that and a western man flying over to thailand to get a wife who makes 5$ a day?

How is the one empowering for a man but *disempowering* for a woman?

It's more that I simply can't see western women doing something like that. Their values tend to be too materialistic. Men are not looking for somebody to maintain their lifestyle for them when they decide they want kids.
If it's just a matter of sexual empowerment women can simply find a fifteen year old to root. There are no consequences.
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How is the one empowering for a man but *disempowering* for a woman?


because i would wager that most men don't give a damn how much his intended earns as long as she doesn't rub his nose in it

can you say the same about women regarding the income of a suitable mate?

i find women to be far more pragmatic when it comes to the suitable candidate checklist

Can't say that I've ever heard a bloke say "I'm marrying down." It's just not on the radar. Could it be that men marry more for love than women do?

Malakas

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And as for a western woman flying over to thailand to get a husband who makes 5$ a day... what's the difference between that and a western man flying over to thailand to get a wife who makes 5$ a day?
typhonblue You're winding us up, right? I can't believe someone of your intelligence and experience doesn't see the difference.

Admittedly I've known a few rare instances where say, an Asian male doctor has met and married a western nurse but it's unusual. If you want the full stats, Joefin posted a link on one of the 'Foreign Brides' threads.

BTW The dismissisive mention of Francis Fukuyama was a typical bit of femi-rubbishing. He's not even openly anti-feminist. He's a serious scholar who backs up everything he says with a weath of data. In 'The Great Disruption' he merely spotted trends and extrapolated them. Compare his work with:
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Because increased opportunity for women seems to translate into more prosperous and stable societies
(Note the 'seems to').  Could it be that only prosperous and stable democracies can be exploited by feminists?
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whome112

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Not to throw a fly in the ointment but... I've seen quite a few asian man/white woman pairings up here in the great white north.

And as for a western woman flying over to thailand to get a husband who makes 5$ a day... what's the difference between that and a western man flying over to thailand to get a wife who makes 5$ a day?

How is the one empowering for a man but *disempowering* for a woman?


True, there are a great many asian/white pairings here and it works well with both sexes. The point at hand though, is these pairings are "just plain Canadian folks." Such pairings are ordinary Canadians who happen to have different genetic backgrounds; they have the same or very similar social backgrounds. These relationships are very common in Canadian cities and work well mostly because of the same social background, the same Canadian expectations.

There are far far more men willing to ignore wages and earning capacity than there are women willing to so do. It creates an imbalance.

The average Joe doesn't care too much one way or the other what his wife does for a living: He can go for the high roller or the janitor without much thinking. The average Jane on the other hand does indeed care about what he makes and what he does.

The above doesn't say that there are not exceptions to this rule: There most certainly are and in both directions. For the average though, this does apply.

whome
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contrarymary

Actually, I've seen many white men with beautiful Asian women, but I've never once seen an Asian man with a white woman.    I am beginning to think Asian men would rather die than be with a white women.  I will take your word for it that there are Asian men/white women couples, but I've just never seen it.  I have also seen a fair number of American men come into the store with Russian women.

I'm in love with a WASP, btw.  And he's just beautiful.  So this is not a personal issue, but rather an observation.  I am also, while always friendly and open to everyone until they prove they can't be trusted, very jealous of Asian women because they are so beautiful and I feel like a fat clumsy cow next to them, and I'm not even fat (but I am clumsy) and I include the Indian women in this category.  Still, it doesn't irk me that white men marry Asian women - not at all.  I've found that some men do like clumsy, short Italian-American women with freckles - and that one, in particular, has made me very, very happy.
quot;I can resist anything but temptation."

 Oscar Wilde

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