Will the feminist please make up their mind

Started by JoeFin, Jun 02, 2006, 08:02 AM

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What feminists hate most about porn is that men enjoy it.


I did a google search on the words:  women's studies dildo.  Without going into specific items this came up at the top, "Results 1 - 10 of about 79,300."  :eekeek:   I think that pretty much says it all, regarding where gender feminists are concerning porn.
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typhonblue

Porn isn't just for men. ;)

Although I have to say the best stuff comes from Japan.

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I think the feminist attitude can be summed up pretty succinctly. They want to be able to control men's fantasies and allow them only the ones they approve of.

I've argued this on other boards... why should men have to justify their sexual fantasies to women? Demanding that they do so is just another extension of the victorian attitude that women are the moral center of the universe and are the ones who have the right to stamp things as "moral" and "immoral".

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whome112

I'm wondering what feminist porn is ...

We all know that some of the feminist porn uses severe degredation of males. This is the stuff that Canada Customs wouldn't let into Canada a few years back. Feminists of course see no problem with degrading men, it is only degrading women that can even in theory be a problem. Is this what they mean by feminist porn?

Or do they mean the bodice rippers?

Or do they mean things like jean Auel's "Earth's Children" series?

What do they mean?

I do not know ...

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manhoodsbliss

Women don't connect with men because they dont understand why men masturbate and enjoy pornography.  What a sily thing to say.  Many Women don't like Men using pornography, because some question whether it is natural or learned behaviour.  For instance, my boyfriend uses pornography, but the double standard is he hates me typing in hotcakes names on google (Patrick Bateman hmmmm)

I understand perfectly well, why you do it, but does it help or hinder real relationships?  I read an article about men and women who have lost interest in the bedroom, because porn fulfills them much more.  The size of the industry means its catering a large target market.  Who needs the real thing when you have vibrators and videotapes.
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SIAM

hey MHB, you didn't answer my question on the other thread:

do you have sexual fantasies? If so, do you make sure you're not objectifying men when you imagine them?

I love how you're forcing yourself to toe the Victorian prude line here to try to sound consistant with your feminist identity.  Does it not feel like a straight-jacket though MHB?  Do you lust after particular men, like heterosexual women do? If you do, do you fantasise about these men?  Or are you really a lesbian and you feel frustrated? I'm interested in where your everyday life fits into your very strict views.

hansside

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I think the feminist attitude can be summed up pretty succinctly. They want to be able to control men's fantasies and allow them only the ones they approve of.



Hehe. Well, that would be the ultimate in mind-control!

On another note feminists never really seem to have understood human nature or sexuality.

hansside

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I understand perfectly well, why you do it



No you don't

typhonblue

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For instance, my boyfriend uses pornography, but the double standard is he hates me typing in hotcakes names on google (Patrick Bateman hmmmm)


er... it sounds like you don't like him using porn either so... you both have a double standard, you're just blind to your own.

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I understand perfectly well, why you do it, but does it help or hinder real relationships?  I read an article about men and women who have lost interest in the bedroom, because porn fulfills them much more.  The size of the industry means its catering a large target market.  Who needs the real thing when you have vibrators and videotapes.


Why would porn hinder a real relationship? Unless you are absoultely incompatible with your mate how can you *not* compete with a two dimensional image?

SIAM

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Why would porn hinder a real relationship? Unless you are absoultely incompatible with your mate how can you *not* compete with a two dimensional image?


Well said tb.  I think MHB betrays her true sentiments here too - she, like many feminists, see porn as competition to herself and feels she is the 'loser' in the comparison so they want to eradicate the 'competition'.  It's not about 'women being abused in the porn industry'  - it's about themselves and their low self-esteem and how they hate it when men give their attention to more attractive women than themselves. This is what it's always been about.

gwallan

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I understand perfectly well, why you do it, but does it help or hinder real relationships?  I read an article about men and women who have lost interest in the bedroom, because porn fulfills them much more.  The size of the industry means its catering a large target market.  Who needs the real thing when you have vibrators and videotapes.


Why would porn hinder a real relationship? Unless you are absoultely incompatible with your mate how can you *not* compete with a two dimensional image?

I've had two lengthy relationships(one of them over fifteen years) with women who brought porn into the scenario. Both these women were far more interested in, and turned on by, that pornography than I. As far as I was concerned if it worked for them it would benefit both of us so it didn't bother me. It certainly didn't harm those relationships in any way.

Harm can only come to a relationship if the porn is replacing sex. If it's used as an adjunct to a couple's sex life it could be quite beneficial.
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It doesn't give any examples for feminist porn so it is hard to form an opinion on this topic. But it does poke a bit of a hole in the "all sex is rape" argument made by the gender feminists. One of the catagories is "Real womans pleasure" this is an admission that women enjoy sex, how can a person enjoy rape? That contradicts one of their basic tenets doesn't it.  :lol:
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manhoodsbliss

its a myth that gende feminists think "all sex is rape", there point to this was much different to what you all suggest.  Sex is rape, when a man's desires make him pursue in a forceful manner.  Its often the case I think, when the man wants it he knows he can get it, but if a woman dare say no she fears betrayal or loss of interest.  These are common sense factors.  Women's urges can be sustained whereas a man's cannot.  I think this has something to do with the biological mouldings of the genitalia.  Its much easier for men to masturbate.  

I did answer the post about fantasies. go back and read, i am not writing again.

Also i do not have any issues with men using porn, if it helps the process.  Its natural, but I won't deny sometimes it can be a dent to the self esteem, but men have such feelings and insecurities too.  People should not feel guilty because of it, its natural to have competitve forces in such a competitive society.
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typhonblue

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Why would porn hinder a real relationship? Unless you are absoultely incompatible with your mate how can you *not* compete with a two dimensional image?


Well said tb.  I think MHB betrays her true sentiments here too - she, like many feminists, see porn as competition to herself and feels she is the 'loser' in the comparison so they want to eradicate the 'competition'.  It's not about 'women being abused in the porn industry'  - it's about themselves and their low self-esteem and how they hate it when men give their attention to more attractive women than themselves. This is what it's always been about.


I'm not even refering to attractiveness. There's also compatability in personality and sexual interests which I think trumps sheer attractiveness for many people.

I mean even a photo that's a absolute, perfect ten can't tie you up with silk stockings and whip you with a sprig of juniper(or whatever).

The problem is that a lot of women (particularly feminists) seem to define themselves *solely* by their looks instead of pursuing other avenues of personal identity such as... compelling hobbies (sexual or otherwise), sports and areas of expertise.

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