Female President Flops

Started by Christiane, Jun 10, 2006, 07:16 PM

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Christiane

My problem with this is not content - I liked the show - but I take issue with the insinuation that the cancellation is because the title character is female.    That's a crock.   It's ratings.   She could be a hermaphrodite....    Well, she might be...  but that's a subject for a later date..   I still contend it's the red lipstick...   Enjoy....


'Commander in Chief' too good to be true
Saturday, June 10, 2006
ELLEN GOODMAN
 


Remember when we were told that a woman who wanted the top job had to be twice as good as a man? The first woman in any post would be inspected with a microscope and dismissed for the smallest flaw.

Now the first woman president of the United States of Television has failed to get a second term, excuse me, a second season, because she was too good to be true. Is this progress? Or is it yet another double bind?

Next week, the last episode of Commander in Chief will air. Geena Davis' star turn as the first woman president was heralded as a breakthrough in the fall. Marie Wilson, the unsinkable cheerleader of the White House Project, said that the television series could "hurry history." The bloggers harrumphed that it could "hurry Hillary."

There was the hope that Commander in Chief could do for women in the Oval Office what Will and Grace did for gays in your office. "We have to visualize a woman president in office before we can have one," said former Vermont Gov. Madeleine Kunin. See her on TV; see her in real life.

Mackenzie Allen got to the ABC White House virtually untainted by politics. She was a college president and an independent picked to be vice president by a conservative Republican candidate trying to attract women voters. Talk about your fantasy figures.

After the president's death, she overcame opposition, self-doubt, a male chauvinist pig of a politician and a sabotaged teleprompter to win over the hearts of the American people. She also won favor with the real public, garnering 16.9 million viewers in the first two episodes.

Of course, our gal Mac suffered some of the blows familiar to women in politics. Like every female candidate with a hemline and a hairdo, more media attention was paid to her appearance than her position papers. "She looks like she's wearing those red wax lips they sell for Halloween," hissed Washington Post critic Tom Shales.

If there's a woman behind every great man, the men behind this great woman were her undoing. The creator and first writer, Rod Lurie, was less disciplined than Bill Clinton. He couldn't get the shows done on time. His replacement, Steven Bochco, never could decide if this series was about the First Female leader or the First Mom. And the network honchos managed to jerk the most powerful woman from one time slot to another until her approval ratings sank to the level of the real president's.

But the real problem fell into the be-careful-what-you-wish-for category. Lurie wanted his first woman president to be someone of "unimpeachable integrity, very kind, very calm." And, alas, he got it.

She was an accidental rather than ambitious politician. Instead of the crackling wise-guy dialogue of The West Wing, with its flawed staffers, its docudramas, compromises and no-win situations, we got a woman, noble and principled, strong and caring, apolitical and perfectly unbelievable.

Singlehandedly, as First Woman and Working Mom saving America from terrorists and saving Halloween for the kids, she brought the late, unlamented, superwoman cartoon out of retirement and into the White House.

Yes, it's possible that any network executive now shown a script starring a powerful woman will offer that fateful judgment: "We already tried one!" But on the other hand, Commander in Chief may have truly hurried history.

The opening of the TV show was accompanied by a survey that showed 79 percent of the public was comfortable with "a woman" in the White House. We have long assumed that comfort zone would shrink when "a woman" got a name and a face and a flaw.

But what if the public is ahead of the punditry again? Am I allowed the optimistic view that the closing of this show suggests perversely that the American public may be more ready to see and accept women as both individuals and imperfect?

Katie Couric just ascended the CBS throne, gravitas be damned. The female politicians on a firstname basis with the American public - Condi! Hillary! - have been attacked and still survived in the rough arena. Both carry baggage from standing by their man, be he George or Bill. Both have played politics, real politics, party politics. And both are at least as qualified as "fresh faces" such as Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Virginia's Democratic Gov. Mark Warner.

So here's where we stand as they play taps for Commander in Chief. The first female politician may no longer have to be too good to be true. Thank you, Mackenzie Allen, we already tried that. Maybe she just has to be better than the guys running against her.

That's a reality show I'm ready for.

Ellen Goodman writes for The Boston Globe.

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Sir Percy

I rather like Geena. Ex-Victoria's Secrets model, archer, Mensa FeM, still more attractive than my Steed. As for the program, I have watched it and enjoyed some of it. A woman President is no strange idea to me, having lived under the rule of a Queen and a woman Prime Minister.

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But the real problem fell into the be-careful-what-you-wish-for category. Lurie wanted his first woman president to be someone of "unimpeachable integrity, very kind, very calm." And, alas, he got it.


Ahh, yes. Pigs might fly in the fantasy world of TV. Reality gives us good old flawed stumble-word George, Tony Blah and his silver toungued mendacity, a raft of narcissitic frenchmen, the occasional small time solicitor or accountant, and a crowded world of country town psychopaths. All embedded in a flawed world where humanity is too hard. Watch Angela Merkle.
vil, like misery, is Protean, and never greater than when committed in the name of 'right'. To commit evil when they are convinced they are doing 'good', is one of the greatest of pleasures known to a feminist.

Christiane

Jesus, SP...   You're way over my female head....    :)

I guess in my naive mode of thinking, a woman president is no different than a man president....   vis a vis a black vs a white, or old vs young...

I'm ready to graduate 5th grade now, aren't I?    PLEASE....

Christiane

btw - how has Angela done?   Anyone would have been better than Shroeder.   Too soon to tell, perhaps.

Daymar

I was really happy to see this show get canceled after 1 season. It's just another dumb show where they try to show us what reality could be like but wait, they're not showing us what reality could be like because the show is NOT REAL. It's nothing more then attempted brainwashing. It's about as useful as all the retarded commercials full of nothing but fluff.

BRIAN

I think the thing the author of the article can't grasp is that people voted with their feet. It was realy a bad show, and that came out after the novelty wore off.
You may sleep soundly at night because rough men stand ready to visit violence upon those who seek to harm you.

TheManOnTheStreet

I gave it a watch ... twice.  I was so sickened by the "look at the poor woman trying to do everything and be President too" tripe that I Almost didn't give it a second chance.  

Ah but when I did, and saw the ego, attitude (read strong independant) and downright disrespect to her collegues and subordinates, that was it.  I don't care if you be male or female, you don't speak and act like that when in a position of such importance and power.....

Here is the answer to the femikook angle just in case:

Oh and I am sure that the writers did it intentionally... you know, so that it would fail.... They would rather make a political and sexist statement with their pens instead of feeding their families.... yea, right.....

Simply put, people couldnt handle a show that constantly had the personal drivel, petty inuendos and arrogance that this show had.  I would gather that even if the show was of a male Prez, it still would have failed.

TMOTS
The Man On The Street is on the street for a reason.......
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It's not illegal to be male.....yet.

TheManOnTheStreet

BTW:

NewsMax Poll: Condi Would Beat Hillary

An Internet poll sponsored by NewsMax.com reveals that Condoleezza Rice would trounce Hillary Clinton if the two squared off in a head-to-head race for president.

More than 250,000 people took part in the poll, and they picked Condi as their most favored candidate for the Republican nomination for president in 2008.

NewsMax will provide the results of this poll to major media and share them with radio talk show hosts across the country.

Here are the poll questions and results:

1. Do you believe Hillary will run for president in 2008?
Yes: 89%
No: 11%

2. Who would you vote for?
Hillary: 20%
Condi: 80%

3. Do you believe Condi is the best candidate the Republicans could nominate?
Yes: 45%
No: 55%

4. Who is your 2008 candidate?
John McCain: 17%
Condi Rice: 34%
Jeb Bush: 5%
Mitt Romney: 4%
Rudy Giuliani: 18%
George Allen: 7%
Other: 15%
The Man On The Street is on the street for a reason.......
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It's not illegal to be male.....yet.

gwallan

Quote from: "TheManOnTheStreet"
BTW:

NewsMax Poll: Condi Would Beat Hillary

An Internet poll sponsored by NewsMax.com reveals that Condoleezza Rice would trounce Hillary Clinton if the two squared off in a head-to-head race for president.

More than 250,000 people took part in the poll, and they picked Condi as their most favored candidate for the Republican nomination for president in 2008.

NewsMax will provide the results of this poll to major media and share them with radio talk show hosts across the country.

Here are the poll questions and results:

1. Do you believe Hillary will run for president in 2008?
Yes: 89%
No: 11%

2. Who would you vote for?
Hillary: 20%
Condi: 80%


3. Do you believe Condi is the best candidate the Republicans could nominate?
Yes: 45%
No: 55%

4. Who is your 2008 candidate?
John McCain: 17%
Condi Rice: 34%
Jeb Bush: 5%
Mitt Romney: 4%
Rudy Giuliani: 18%
George Allen: 7%
Other: 15%


TMOTS was this poll aimed at Republican voters? If so the head to head result between Cliton and Race(Q.2) isn't necessarily an indication of how the whole country would vote.
In 95% of things 100% of people are alike. It's the other 5%, the bits that are different, that make us interesting. It's also the key to our existence, and future, as a species.

TheManOnTheStreet

Of course Gwallan.  That is why I left the NewsMax tag.  But the point still remains.  It isn't that folks are "scared" or "against" a woman Prez.  It's because the right one hasn't come about yet.

If I had to make a choice though, Dr. Rice would be it.

TMOTS
The Man On The Street is on the street for a reason.......
_________________________________
It's not illegal to be male.....yet.

Sir Percy

I cannot vote in the USA of course, being a durn furriner, but whoever gets to President of the USA is of interest to most people, simply due to the impact that person can have on the world. I have some grudging admiration for Condi getting to where she is and being reasonably competent at what she does. However, she is a senior member of a team that has made some doozy mistakes, errors of judgement and downright anti-freedom systems planning and implementation, not to mention invading a country (which needed to be invaded) on mendacious reasoning and then not managing the aftermath at all well. She has also, as a member of that team, done NOT a DAMNED THING to rectify the destruction of the family and the systematic denigration of men. So a Pox on Condi. She can share the same pox with Hillarious Rodham.

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2. Who would you vote for?
Hillary: 20%
Condi: 80%


As Field Marshal Montgomery said to his G3 in North Africa, regarding battle plans, "these aren't good enough. Bring me another one".
vil, like misery, is Protean, and never greater than when committed in the name of 'right'. To commit evil when they are convinced they are doing 'good', is one of the greatest of pleasures known to a feminist.

gwallan

Quote from: "TheManOnTheStreet"
Of course Gwallan.  That is why I left the NewsMax tag.  But the point still remains.  It isn't that folks are "scared" or "against" a woman Prez.  It's because the right one hasn't come about yet.

If I had to make a choice though, Dr. Rice would be it.

TMOTS


Fortunately I wont have to face that choice.
Unfortunately when the US sneezes the rest of the world catches the virus.
In 95% of things 100% of people are alike. It's the other 5%, the bits that are different, that make us interesting. It's also the key to our existence, and future, as a species.

Daymar

Quote from: "TheManOnTheStreet"
I would gather that even if the show was of a male Prez, it still would have failed.


Heh, it would never even have been given 1 season to run.

Wookie

What I find interesting in the whole female leader debate is, that if you look at recent history in Europe the two female leaders of recent time Maggie Thatcher (the milk snatcher!) and Angela Merkle both these leaders have came from the right not the so called liberated left, both are capitalists, both are individualists and both didn't rely on their gender as a tool to get elected.

They got there on merit and were voted in by the so called bigotted right.

Strange that :wink:

Wookie
he Light That Burns Twice As Bright Burns Half As Long - Blade Runner

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
John Stuart Mill
English economist & philosopher (1806 - 1873)

Wookie

Add to that:

You would have thought that Thatcher would have been a feminist icon, a grocers daugther who rose to the most powerful job in the country, but she was hated by them, because she didn't fall for their victim shit.

Wookie
he Light That Burns Twice As Bright Burns Half As Long - Blade Runner

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
John Stuart Mill
English economist & philosopher (1806 - 1873)

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