Started by Christiane, Jun 13, 2006, 07:45 AM
Then Hirshman said, and I'm not kidding, "Where are the fathers? I'm always skeptical of any choice women make that men can't. Where are the fathers spending time with the children?" And she's saying this to a woman whose husband is a stay at home dad. Unbelievable.
That female interviewer should have been all over Hirshman but instead she gave Hirshman a pass.
Quote from: "Christiane"Then Hirshman said, and I'm not kidding, "Where are the fathers? I'm always skeptical of any choice women make that men can't. Where are the fathers spending time with the children?" And she's saying this to a woman whose husband is a stay at home dad. Unbelievable.She makes a damn good point.
I have no problem with a chap who keeps his tent clean
In my book it's no longer acceptable to declare oneself as "not a feminist" - it's simply not good enough. Unless you're an active MRA, and even better an anti-feminist (i.e., anti-sexist) then you're part of the problem. Period.
We got into quite heated a discussion about a lot of things. But one thing I will remember is this: when I asked her if she would ever consider working and supporting a stay-at-home dad, she said "Never." But she was perfectly OK with the notion of HER staying home and her husband working to support. Since that dinner, she did indeed go on to meet a guy and marry. And guess what? She quit the nearly six-figure job she held at the company I work at ("too stressful", she said), her husband has decided to go to law school AT NIGHT, and they now have a child. Guess who gets to stay home with the daughter? And guess who also works PART TIME at a NON-PROFIT org which supports her hobby?
Not to be off topic, but "Here we go again"Galt, I really do respect your opinions. Your experience is way different from mine. That's what makes the world interesting.Think about this though: Doesn't it seem reasonable that the SAHM population represents an untapped pool of support for the MRM? Whether or not you agree that parents of either gender, especially women, should pull themselves out of the workforce to concentrate on hearth and home, so to speak, doesn't it seem logical that these women, and they are almost exclusively women, would support your cause?Let me put it another way. Whatever your personal feelings about SAHM's, wouldn't it be tactically advantageous to garner their sympathy, and votes, for the MRM? For the MRM to truly become mainstream, you'll need much more support from women, and where do you think that's likely to come from? Conservative intellectuals? Well, yes, but how many of them are there? There are millions of us out here, Galt. Millions of women who love their men, take pride in their home, manage the family money, work hard and have stayed married. Show me a SAHM who is a radical feminist, and I'll show you a creature who doesn't exist. And I'm not talking about Paul and Heather. I'm talking about real flesh and blood, everyday people. Your issues are just not on their radar. Injustice to men is simply not in their experience. Don't write them off - LOBBY THEM.